[updated:LAST EDITED ON 18-12-02 AT 09:15 AM (GMT)]hey WSIWYG, you say your a pilot, just wondering how do you go around getting sponsorship for it, obviously B.A are gonna have loads of these applications, just wondering if there were any other programmes airlines do apart from this. If not what other airlines in U.K you know about offering similar programmes like the one B.A does or any other relevant information.
Currently at Uni – will be finishing June 2004.
Will have all relevant qualifications B.A are asking for as well and I already work for an airline anyway (excpet they are german)
By: wysiwyg - 21st December 2002 at 16:22
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The windscreens are made up of several laminates of glass combined with gold for UV filtration (and hence a replacement unit costs a six figure sum). However it is very far from being able to prevent all the UV from getting through. There is even a significant amount of UV penetration through the aircraft skin.
By: EGNM - 21st December 2002 at 14:09
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Many flight plans especiall for the heavy aircraft have at least a couple of flight levels, a lower one been used straight after take off , say FL290 or 330, and one weight has been significantly reduced the aircraft climb to levels such as FL390 or 410 – example i have flown on that i know of were the Atlanta 747s on the Malaga and Tenerife runs, and also a BY 762 to Arrecife
By: mongu - 20th December 2002 at 21:35
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Isn’t the windscreen glass shielded for UV?
By: wysiwyg - 20th December 2002 at 17:32
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sorry to be pedantic Hand but FL420 does not exist in the airways system, you either fly at FL410 or FL430 (if you are certified to go that high). The maximum FL the 757 is certified to is FL420 but as that doesn’t exist the highest we operate is FL410.
Pure jets get more efficient the higher they go, so the old jets are always after going as high as possible. Todays jets are generally happy between FL330 and FL390. I personally feel happiest at FL350/360 for 2 main reasons:
1 – The 757 in our config and typical fuel loads can generally reach those levels straight from take off (to go higher we need to lose weight by burning off fuel), but more importantly as far as I’m concerned…
2 – Because the bulk of the atmosphere is contained at the lower levels there is a marked difference in ultraviolet filtration between FL350 and FL390. When you spend as long as we do at these levels this becomes very important and my airline (like any good airline should) monitors how many milliSieverts of radiation we receive a year. People think that airline pilots wear sunglasses to look cool. I wear them because a working lifetime at altitude gives a pilot a dramatically increased likelihood of developing cataracts in old age due to UV. I also am proud of my child rearing abilities and do not wish to start wrapping my crown jewels in tin foil just yet…
By: Hand87_5 - 20th December 2002 at 15:19
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I remember FL420 on UA’s 777 flying CDG – SFO
By: Bhoy - 20th December 2002 at 14:17
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do you get up to FL 39 much?
Highest I can remeber being being told was our cruising altitude was FL33.
By: wysiwyg - 20th December 2002 at 12:16
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-12-02 AT 12:17 PM (GMT)]lol – Ren
Yes it’s more efficient using less airtime and with less words said there’s less chance of confusion. The word decimal is used instead of point as the 3 syllables are more defined and the break up the numbers into 2 easier to remember groups. this is especially important now that in the upper airways we use radios with 8.33khz spacing meaning we get given frequencies with six digits that we have to read back and tune in.
Bearing in mind that some controllers can be a bit naughty and give you too much information at once,
e.g. “jay emm see three eight six kilo turn left heading two one five climb flight level three nine zero contact Brest one three two decimal seven six five”,
you can see that using strict phraseology keeps things as simple as they can be!
By: Ren Frew - 20th December 2002 at 02:11
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I never understood the point in decimals ?
By: mongu - 19th December 2002 at 22:27
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More efficient huh?
By: wysiwyg - 19th December 2002 at 21:02
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-12-02 AT 09:05 PM (GMT)]Follow the link in the thread to the website and you should find all the details there.
If you get through one of the first things they will teach you is ‘speedbird 164 please contact tower on 121.45’ should read ‘speedbird 164 contact tower 121 decimal 45’. No ‘please’ or ‘on’.
By: 777crazy - 19th December 2002 at 19:18
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Where do I sign
By: wysiwyg - 19th December 2002 at 01:55
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The topic I posted was named as Ren says. There are 2 airlines offering similar sponsorships through CTC McAlpine, JMC and easyJet. The other airlines that generally offer sponsorships are BA, Flybe, Britannia, Airtours, Air 2000 and Air Atlantique.
I haven’t got my finger totally on the pulse of who is sponsoring when, but when I do hear of anyone offering training I am planning to post the info here. It’s my mission to try and get at least one of you chaps flying!
By: Ren Frew - 18th December 2002 at 11:15
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WYSIWYG put some excellent info on here recently about a JMC pilot trainee scheme. Have a look on the archive for a thread entitled “Your chance to be a pilot” or words to that effect.
By: Hand87_5 - 18th December 2002 at 09:49
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You have to get your own 777 first :7
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