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I think this thread has run its course……

I think your right.

I think this thread has run its course……

I think the dig thread was the tip of the ice berg to be honest
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Maybe global warming will melt the ice berg and we can all get on with our forum activities, but be warned, the thread perpetrator is still watching!:p

I think the dig thread was the tip of the ice berg to be honest
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Dearie me! All this fuss and palaver.

Merkle and I disagreed on something, simple as that. Why he’s making such a fuss of it all I really don’t know. He doesn’t have to justify his thoughts or activities in the same way that I don’t.

Because I perceive the activity of wreck recovery in a bad light, especially in the way Merkle appears to be going about it, shouldn’t make that much difference to him. I rather suspect the problem is rather more deep rooted and lies more in the realisation that those he thought would back him up, those he refers to as friends, didn’t.

Merkle’s contention that I have made him the laughing stock of the digging world is absolutely ridiculous. I rather think it would take more than one single comment from me to to turn you into the forum’s whipping boy.

I said what I said from a standpoint of it being my belief. Come on now. if we all thought the same what a boring world it would be.

Regards,

kev35

I fixed the thread title..

Chris, when you ask a question, please accept that not all reply’s will be what you want to hear.
We are all individuals
….. just like everybody else ……. Keith.

I think this point is key. just as in real life you don’t get on with everyone you meet, it’s much the same on a forum.
If you are that sensitive that one persons posts upset you enough to threaten to leave a forum, perhaps forums aren’t the place for you.
If someones posts are abusive or twisting your word to mean something else, then report them (that’s what the report button is for).

I have to admit that i don’t have much sympathy for the type of post that started off this thread, i’ve seen them on many forums before, and as the (now edited) title of this thread says, it comes across as a major flounce.

I dont like the renaming of it either…

Excellent post Keith, We are all individuals here and sometimes what we type may be interpreted as something it shouldn’t be..

I thought same rocketeer

I left a voice main on chris’s phone so hopefully he wil ring soon so ill ask him to look at this and re-consider

Didn’t know you could alter the titles, thought only Moderators could do that

who re-named this thread? not impressed:mad: Bit disrespectful to Merkle the starter of the thread

well said keith a cracking post and comment =]

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In 1685 Weston Zoyland was the site of one of the last great battles in England ! Please lets not allow the villiage to have another battle on its hands ?
Could I prescribe a huge “Chill Pill” to all concerned !
Always remember that very thin line between constructive discussion and raging arguement.
What we see in this forum are not peoples thoughts, just typed words on a computer screen, there is no emotion, that little thing we all get when talking face to face, this, I think, makes a huge difference !
I have very little interest in your projects Chris, but I enjoy reading your posts, and know more about Weston Zoyland now than I did one year ago, thank you.
As an example of what goes on “behind the scenes” last evening I spent some time trying to find a photo of WH887, with no luck, as at the time I felt you were down, and would loved to have found one to post here just to cheer you up !
Would it not be so nice if every body read and re-read all posts for some time, and thought about its impact on others, before hitting that SUBMIT POST button ?
Chris, when you ask a question, please accept that not all reply’s will be what you want to hear.
We are all individuals
….. just like everybody else ……. Keith.

Well said Rocketeer!

Well said 😉

Chris

I suggest you don’t leave on the basis of the other thread. Digging will always be an emotive subject and one that will get some hot under the collar when they do not see the point. I would love to do more digging and believe that recovering certain aircraft are essential to the whole ‘aviation heritage’ story. Just cos someone does not see the point of it does not mean that there is no point. For example, I have never seen why people collect numbers, but it gives alot of people pleasure.

Regarding digging, as a naiive lad i found all digs distasteful until a friend persuaded me to go on a dig. We drove up to a field with a shallow crater in it. There was nothing to show that 2 brave men had died there the day after VE Day….this got me thinking….there was me, an aviation history buff who did not know about the ultimate sacrifice so how could i expect others and joe-p to know? We recovered the aircraft remains and did various displays to honour the crew. I am now digging an aircraft I am passionate about and the history along with it. Noone can tell me it is not worthwhile as it is crucial and important history to our local history. The policy of sharing digger costs is commonplace. It can be costly.

Suggest you take a breather and come back old chap. This forum has lots of personalities and is a reflection of the wider community, you cannot expect all to be social, happy or polite. Lord knows there are probably several out there in forumland who don’t like me….I don’t care! As long as I have, do and continue to do my bit for aviation heritage they can say what they like!

C’mon, Chris, there isn’t any reason at all to leave the forum, there are always fors and against on any forum debate, but wreckage recovery is an extra sensitive issue.
I would add that sometimes your posts strike out in all sorts of directions, and that probably invites some not very understanding responses.

Hopefully we are all friends here with a common interest, all be it with very different view points sometimes.

My comment regarding sale of parts was not aimed at anyone but is a general fact, and anyone applying for a licence in the UK should be aware of, and I wouldn’t publicly advertise the fact if I were to go down this route, as stated in the legislation, any items excavated remain the property of the MOD until gifted to the licence holder. If they got wind of something like what has been suggested, they would be quite legally able to relieve you of the lot and you will be out of pocket and trinketless.

I would reiterate my advice to keep whatever you are doing very very tight, and I am sure most people will be interested to see a good honest report on an excavation, as opposed to self indulgent bragging.

Even experienced digging veterens will look at them despite what they say, whatever is dug interests anyone in this field.

Wreck excavations is a tricky process at the best of times, even the most seasoned veterans on here would admit that, and a lot of advice was given in general, a forum is exactly that one where people can bring their views palatable or not, and can even confess their past misdemeanours including attending Meteor digs 🙂

I’m not taking sides on any ‘personal’ argument here but let us be very careful here…

I was not aware that it is common practice for items to be sold on irrespective of the licensing issue. Fair comment. Perhaps then it would be hard for the MOD to come down on…..this activity when there may be evidence to support a claim that this practice has been carried out previously.

…this is just the sort of loophole the MOD could decide to close for the sake of ‘bureaucratic tidiness’…..all recovered material would remain in MOD custody.

And we all know how well the MOD is likely to tread untidy wreckage…..no matter how historically important. :rolleyes:

Bruce. Very illuminating.

I was not aware that it is common practice for items to be sold on irrespective of the licensing issue. Fair comment. Perhaps then it would be hard for the MOD to come down on Merkle for this activity when there may be evidence to support a claim that this practice has been carried out previously.

I understand the point about sharing costs, however, it seemed initially in the now deleted thread that Merkle was SELLING opportunities to be present.

Wreck digging isn’t my cup of tea, unless it is to recover human remains or perhaps the recovery of a very rare airframe. Nothing said so far by Merkle has done anything to alter my opinion.

Regards,

kev35