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Foul language

I want to ask our English/American-speaking forum readers and writers about foul language.

Could you be so kind as to point me some good links to “theoretical reference”, please? 🙂
Next question is about usage – where is the limits? Are F-words THAT really bad?
What about “damn”, “sh1t”, etc.?
What about you/your children – use it or not?
What is your own point of view about the subject?
What do you think about usage of explicit/foul/obscene language in films (there are a lot of)? Is it OK? How do you feel whatching “Pulp fiction” or “Snatch” just for example?

My question is related with films, books and other cultural/sub-cultural products in order to find proper equivalent with Russian. There are a lot of opinions about such correlation, so I’d like to know your opinion.

Thanks in advance.

PS.
What about this books
English As a Second F*cking Language by Sterling Johnson (Paperback)
Forbidden American English by Richard A. Spears (Hardcover)
Slang and Euphemism: A Dictionary of Oaths, Curses, Insults, Sexual Slang and Metaphor, Racial Slurs, Drug Talk, Homosexual Lingo, and Related Matte by Richard A. Spears (Hardcover)
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By: andyxh558 - 30th October 2003 at 09:25

Ok who has been reading Sven Hassel novels then!!!!
Job tvoyjemdagie my mother is safe thanks:D

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By: Manonthefence - 29th October 2003 at 19:46

Horses Arsebiscuits 😀

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By: Moggy C - 29th October 2003 at 11:24

Oi! Futurshox 😮

You seemed such a nice, well-brought-up young lady.

I’m shocked at the depth of your knowledge

Mogs 😉

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By: DazDaMan - 29th October 2003 at 11:09

Snapper – you’d be referring to “Roger’s Profanisaurus” then?

I got the first edition (I think) about five years ago, and it has provided me with HOURS of entertainment down the pub! 😀

For instance, a “chocolate starfish” doesn’t necessarily live near the sea! 😉

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By: Snapper - 29th October 2003 at 10:59

Ah yes, I realise that! However, this was a most common bit of swearing amongst teenage boys who liked to read Sven Hassel books when I was around 13-14. Good old Sven taught us to swear in many languages – which our teachers were, of course, unable to translate. Most enjoyable times were had by all!

The Sex Pistols won a court case in the 70’s regarding the word ******** (Never Mind The ******** LP). It is NOT a swear word, rather an ecclesiastical term from way back.

You may be interested in the ‘Viz’ magazine ‘profanisaurus’ too. It has many new profanities, including such delights as ‘Fanny Batter’ which is not something to fry cod in!

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By: Manonthefence - 29th October 2003 at 07:42

Phesant

Oops sorry wrong fowl

I cannot believe that the word Arsebiscuits would ever come from Mrs DB’s mouth.

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By: Flood - 29th October 2003 at 01:31

Gurls!!!

It is just the way he said it – made it the most disgusting thing in the world!!!

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By: ageorge - 28th October 2003 at 23:02

Originally posted by Mrs_DamienB
How about “feck”? This was used to great affect in the series “Father Ted”, and I’m sure is meant to be a substitute for a word with a similar spelling.

I also have Father Jack to thank for one of my own favourite expressions….. “Arsebiscuits!” 😀

Ahhhh , quality TV , my two lads Jamie and John ( aged 7 and 3 ) drive my wife and my parents up the wall by shouting “ARSE ” everywhere they go – thoroughly encouraged by childish me .

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By: Shkval1 - 28th October 2003 at 21:53

Ok, thanks a lot for your answers.

Re: Snapper

THAT was really bad, I don’t recommend to use it with Russian ones, otherwise your could do your dentist a very rich man.

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Re: mixtec

I’m afraid all nations aren’t so original with the subject. 🙂

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Re: futurshox

Thanks a lot! That comparision between English/American is absolutely great.
The most problems come (of course!) with F-words.
I’ve already discovered a widespred usage of this words, just an example:

Dismay – Oh! F*ck it!
Aggression – F*ck you.
Passive – F*ck me.
Command – Go f*ck yourself.
Incompetence – He’s a f*ck-up.
Laziness – He’s a f*ck off.
Ignorance – He’s a f*cking jerk.
Trouble – I guess I’m f*cked now.
Confusion – What the f*ck.
Despair – F*cked again.
Philosophical – Who gives a f*ck?
Denial – You ain’t f*cking me.
Rebellion – F*ck the world.
Annoyance – Don’t f*ck with me.
Encouragement – Keep on f*cking.
Etiquette – Pass the f*cking salt.
Fraud – I got f*cked by my insurance agent.
Difficulty – I can’t understand this f*cking business.
Identification – Who the f*ck are you?
Agreement – You’re f*cking right.
Benevolence – Don’t do me any f*cking favors.

You have said about “level of severity” – do this colloquialisms have different level of severity? What are the most offensive?
As far as I see, F-words are really “restricted”? (The most diffused opinion is that English swearings is much “softer” than Russian one, and much interpreters replace for example “F*ck!” with “Devil!” (in Russian) or other soften stuff, which I don’t find done right).

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Re: Flood

Thanks a lot!
So does this rating system really work?

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Gents, if you have any ideas about F-words in general and usage of it…

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By: DazDaMan - 28th October 2003 at 09:26

Personally, I use “Christwagons!” as a general term of surprise or anger!

Such as “Christwagons, look at the size of that!” or

“Oh Christwagons, get off my case, Margaret” (my boss) :p

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By: Flood - 27th October 2003 at 22:34

I have the script book for Monty Python and the Holy Grail and it has, inside, a letter dated 5/8/1974 which discusses the dialogue cuts required to move the film from an AA rating (in those days 14years old upwards) to an A rating (5-14years).
To gain an A rating they talk about losing “sh*t”s, “f**k off”, and “Jesus Christ”s, but retaining “f*rt in your general direction”, “oral sex”, and “we make castanets out of your testicles”. Obviously there was still a stigma about religious profanity and general sexual discussion in those days – whereas now few will care about you muttering Jesus Christ, to the point that it can even be seen in schools programs. The word bugg*r has different weight depending on your location, too. When Monty Python upset a lot of people in Life of Brian some will still have been moaning about Eric Idle trying to brighten Brians day with “Cheer up you old bug*er!” at the start of the song Always Look on the Bright Side of Life – something I recall being played (accidentally) on Radio 1 several years ago. Country folk didn’t give a toss then, but call them “t*ssers” and there could be a bit of a scrap!
In Australia a wan*er is a friend, a mate. Laughed my guts up when watching an old Paul Hogan show and he did himself up as Leo W*nker – stuntman. Very funny.
I agree, swearing has lost its bite when young mothers call their own offspring bast*rds as an affection, or have a 4-letter slanging match because the child has been refused a bar of chocolate or something (which I have witnessed).

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By: futurshox - 27th October 2003 at 21:18

OK, you asked for it so here goes. My personal view of swearing:

F*ck: Can be used in oh so many ways, from ‘Who gives a f*ck’ (who cares?) to ‘Fancy a f*ck?’ (Would you like to have sex with me?) to ‘He broke my f*cking leg!’ (He broke my leg!). It is said that the English word ‘set’ has the most uses in the language – I submit that ‘f*ck’ has more. Used to be used chiefly by sailors, now is used by virtually everyone. Context of use denotes level of severity.

C*nt: A metaphor for a certain part of the female anatomy. Generally used as an insult i.e. ‘You stupid c*nt’. A very hard word, not to be used lightly.

Damn: A lighter swear word. One might even hear a vicar utter ‘Damn and blast!’ Useful when one stubs ones’ toe.

Sh*t: Similar to the F-word in that it has many uses, but is of lighter tone. You may hear that someone is full of sh*t (talking a load of nonsense), or someone might exclaim ‘Sh*t!!!’ (vis. when spilling a pint of beer).

Cr*p: Like ‘sh*t’, this word is of scatological origin but has a subtly different usage. Whereas ‘sh*t’ is generally used to describe displeasure, ‘cr*p’ is used more to describe an item or thing, i.e. ‘that is a piece of cr*p’ (that is no good), although this is not exclusive as it borne witness by the phrase ‘P.O.S’, which is ‘piece of sh*t’, a commonly used Hollywood word, often referring to a motor car (Ref: Men in Black). Usage also describes skill levels, i.e. ‘She is cr*p at running’ (she is not an athlete). One is less likely to say ‘she is sh*t at running’.

Smeg: Found more in the UK than the US, this one originates from the TV series ‘Red Dwarf’ and was portrayed as an all-purpose swear word which was allowed by the censor while giving the impression of swearing. Speculations of the origin of this word include a derivation from the word ‘smegma’ which I will leave the anatomically curious to look up in the dictionary.

Boll*cks: Referring to the spherical parts of the male anatomy, this occurs in such phrases as ‘What a pile of boll*cks’ (I do not believe this to be true), or plain ‘Boll*cks!’, which is generally negative, covering various emotions from disbelief to dismay.

Arse (UK) / Ass (US) : An ass in the UK is related to a donkey, which may go some way to explain the American spelling. An arse is one’s posterior region and can also refer to a stupid person, or ‘Arse!’ might be short exclamation of annoyance. Again, myriad uses exist for this wonderful word.

W*nker: This one also exists only in the UK. The action of wanking is to masturbate, hence one who masturbates is a w*nker. It is, naturally, derogatory to be called by this term. In the US, ‘W*nker’ is a brand of beer and a British person may have endless fun with other Brits by winding up Americans about W*nkers in general.

Swearing in general: I try not to, but do find myself using ‘sh*t’ and ‘smeg’ a fair amount. The F-word comes out on occasion but I try and restrict it to when it’s really necessary, not to use it gratuitously as so many people seem to do these days.

I don’t have kids but I wouldn’t enjoy hearing them swear if I did. Not that many parents seem to give a smeg (see?) about this, judging by the number of pre-teens I hear using foul language in the centre of town.

As for films, it seems that a certain number of swear words are deemed necessary to lend the film enough grittiness, according to Hollywood, anyway. I’m sure they wouldn’t hurt to lose a few, but it really annoys me when a film is dubbed on TV with people saying ‘flaming heck!’ when you *know* they’re saying something worse…

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By: Flood - 27th October 2003 at 18:38

Originally posted by Nermal
Ha – never heard of $meg then? Or Belg!um – apparently the worst possible word in the universe – according to HHGG!
Personally I think the word $napp3r makes a useful alternative, if only on this forum… – Nermal.

Harken to the potty-mouth!

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By: Nermal - 27th October 2003 at 16:58

Ha – never heard of $meg then? Or Belg!um – apparently the worst possible word in the universe – according to HHGG!
Personally I think the word $napp3r makes a useful alternative, if only on this forum… – Nermal.

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By: mixtec - 27th October 2003 at 16:47

Yes f**k and s**t are the mainstays of swearing in the US. At the age of 38 I can tell you that it still somehow holds its taboo and shock value, why I dont know. I personally have heard f**k used in just about every possible context and its all a bit old for me now. I wish someone would come up with a new words or obscene expressions, but it hasnt happened yet. And yes, damn some how still holds on as a curse word. If anyone can translate their swear words into english, Id like to here it, just as long as its not the usual f**k, s**t and usual genatalia words.

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By: Nermal - 27th October 2003 at 10:13

Not sure we need to have a gentleman of obviously advanced years using that sort of language! What does it mean anyway? Nermal

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By: Snapper - 26th October 2003 at 23:42

Yob Tvojematj!

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