Fox Tor Mires Salvage dig…

Seen these, they start at about page 334 up to about 340

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ww2images/sets/72157629867717873/detail/?page=340

Lydford as location on death certificate

Evidence of Collision based on eye-witness probably shepherd who said ‘Fox Tor Mires’

Lydford on the Death Certificates is consistent with a crash site at Fox Tor Mire.

I would have thought that Princetown or even Yelverton would have been more likely locations.

Bump.

Any lurkers out there with – to quote Crimewatch “any information, no matter how apparently insignificant”…?

Thanks for your time Paul, so we’re looking at an area of 10sq miles to comb through if we can’t find someone who’s already been there…

I think the first thing to do is get hold of the local rag and ask the locals…

Stu…

Had a chance to look up my Whirlwind file – and unfortunately it has the same info as you already have

Which is Bovey Tracey probably wrong (based on Kitchener’s testimony where he “thought” they were) but they didn’t know where they were (because lost in cloud) and that is why collided/crashed anyway

Lydford as location on death certificate

Evidence of Collision based on eye-witness probably shepherd who said ‘Fox Tor Mires’

Lydford on the Death Certificates is consistent with a crash site at Fox Tor Mire.

paul

They may also have visions of having to drag you out of waste deep muck! Incidentally Robin Hood in that 1980’s film looks like a younger Dakota Fred from gold rush. Maybe that explains why he’s gone quiet!

I will try and contact the Ranger again and see if he will reply to my request for info, hoping to break the brickwall of silence.
Ian

There may be a reluctance to get involved if they think that the moor is going to get ripped open by huge mechanical plant and left in a mess, some reassurance may be required?

A while back I contacted the owner of the museum at Harrowbeer and he told me that one of the Dartmoor Rangers who visited many years ago mentioned the 2 Whirlwinds on Fox Tor.
I managed to locate the son of the Ranger who is a Ranger himself and contacted him several times to enquire if he knew the locations, no replies were forthcomming. Only one chap who i contacted from the Search and Rescue team did contact me. He went out and looked at a wreck that he had seen thinking this might be the Whirlwind and sent me some photos but it was the Jet that left a big water filled hole. I will try and contact the Ranger again and see if he will reply to my request for info, hoping to break the brickwall of silence.
Ian

What would be the point though of telling us about his visit and about the scan and debris, it certainly doesn’t scare me away, we have to follow every lead up, doing so eventually turned up the westland wind tunnel model…

We sometimes get misinformation about drawings, photo’s, parts and crash sites.

Now, whether it’s just because the information that is passed over to us is incorrect from the start or it’s made to be deliberately misleading, we have to follow it up. Why some are telling porky’s I can’t for the life of me fathom out, it’s as if they just delight in being irksome & annoying…

All this takes time to sieve through and to deliberately put a falsehood in the mix is just counter productive in getting the project finished, I can’t get behind the mind set to want do this.
For bloody years people have bleated about getting a Whirlwind made and now it’s happening we find people that know where a certain part, crash site or drawing is are just refusing to pass it on to us – Wasting our time that could be better used elsewhere…

It’s not as if we’re going to take it from them and never give it back, to keep it locked away only to take it out and gloat over from time to time. It’s beyond my comprehension to hoard knowledge, to not pass it on to those who can put it’s use for the benefit of all…

Rant over…

I started the same thread on another site, interesting the way the two have differed…

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/517337-fox-tor-mires-future-salvage-dig.html

Have to say I agree with every word here Mr Bluesky. Sadly that’s the way it goes. What is the point of not passing information on, or collecting these relics and not allowing anyone to see it. Beats me. What if Cosford decided to lock away the Dornier and not allow anyone to see it.

With DARRT. We used to do recce trips to the area. meat the locals make phone calls for intros and put requests for info in the local press. Though with the advent of the Internet most of these freebie publications no longer exist. Its was amazing that even the locals actually witnessing an event came up with their own accounts, some of which turned out to be totally inaccurate, but as we all know the passage of time does tend to distort the true account.

Yes I had some great times with DARRT in its hey day. With research, Plant maintenance, Digs. Preservation, And the diving team. Met some great people and fantastic stories and accounts.
Sadly the whole thing seems to have fizzled out now. But Hay. If no information is available from certain people in the know then its just a case of starting all over again.

Although I have never met Mr Hood I did correspond with him many years ago. I think this is him in 1984… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVqIymuRzos

Don’t be disheartened – every project faces similar problems. The PPRUNE guys are nice chaps but I think you might have better luck finding practical information here. Why not also ask on the RAF Commands forum? That would be my other choice – some very knowledgable people there.

Just a thought. Is there not a Dartmoor Search and rescue team? They would have very useful knowledge of ground conditions and may also have found the wreckage, even if they don’t know its identity.
mmitch.

Isn’t the Barracuda – or at least substantial parts of it – a bog recovery?

I think I passed comment on the previous thread about the difficulties of finding the site so I’ll say nowt here – except that I can see you know full well what you are up against, and I wish you the very best of luck!

Adrian

I dont think ME -109E was telling the complete truth about his visit to the whirlwind site,i wouldnt hold your breath on that one.
It was probably said to scare people away from looking for the site.

What would be the point though of telling us about his visit and about the scan and debris, it certainly doesn’t scare me away, we have to follow every lead up, doing so eventually turned up the westland wind tunnel model…

We sometimes get misinformation about drawings, photo’s, parts and crash sites.

Now, whether it’s just because the information that is passed over to us is incorrect from the start or it’s made to be deliberately misleading, we have to follow it up. Why some are telling porky’s I can’t for the life of me fathom out, it’s as if they just delight in being irksome & annoying…

All this takes time to sieve through and to deliberately put a falsehood in the mix is just counter productive in getting the project finished, I can’t get behind the mind set to want do this.
For bloody years people have bleated about getting a Whirlwind made and now it’s happening we find people that know where a certain part, crash site or drawing is are just refusing to pass it on to us – Wasting our time that could be better used elsewhere…

It’s not as if we’re going to take it from them and never give it back, to keep it locked away only to take it out and gloat over from time to time. It’s beyond my comprehension to hoard knowledge, to not pass it on to those who can put it’s use for the benefit of all…

Rant over…

I started the same thread on another site, interesting the way the two have differed…

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/517337-fox-tor-mires-future-salvage-dig.html

I remember staggering around the area years ago during an orienteering exercise. It was passable with care, but may have been a dry summer (we used to have them once!).

I dont think ME -109E was telling the complete truth about his visit to the whirlwind site,i wouldnt hold your breath on that one.
It was probably said to scare people away from looking for the site.

Try this http://www.bradleyshomeguide.co.uk/Devon/Building_Services/devon_geotechnical_arobinhood.php Hope this helps. Best of luck if you do make contact.

Thank you, I’ll report back when I do… 🙂

Try this http://www.bradleyshomeguide.co.uk/Devon/Building_Services/devon_geotechnical_arobinhood.php Hope this helps. Best of luck if you do make contact.

He’s the man you need to find Mr BlueSky

I found a site ( http://www.aviationarchaeology.org.uk/groups.php ) that lists all the Archaeological Aviation group’s but the DARRT listing is of course blank.

Still I can now contact the British Aviation Archaeological Council and ask if they can put me in touch with Mr Hood, I hope that is his surname, whats his christian name?

He’s the man you need to find Mr BlueSky