Although many of the accusations in this BBC article are well-known to those of us familiar with the Falklands War it is interesting to see them so publicly aired as we reach the thirtieth anniversary of the conflict:
By: spitfireman - 13th March 2012 at 19:14
Well, at least someone didn’t point out that Vulcans are not equipped for Cheese Based ordenance!
Correct…………they were, er…cannonbare………..
well it sort of worked……
…I’ll get me coat:p
By: spitfireman - 13th March 2012 at 19:14
Well, at least someone didn’t point out that Vulcans are not equipped for Cheese Based ordenance!
Correct…………they were, er…cannonbare………..
well it sort of worked……
…I’ll get me coat:p
By: D1566 - 13th March 2012 at 16:24
Not really the people working were French nationals -France was not a war with Argentina so there was no reason why the Argentinians would choose to start a fight with France as well by detaining its nationals.
The Argentine government of the time did have something of a gift for making people dissappear, including some foreign nationals.
By: D1566 - 13th March 2012 at 16:24
Not really the people working were French nationals -France was not a war with Argentina so there was no reason why the Argentinians would choose to start a fight with France as well by detaining its nationals.
The Argentine government of the time did have something of a gift for making people dissappear, including some foreign nationals.
By: Resmoroh - 13th March 2012 at 15:58
WA$, Hi,
Point taken! It was Easter 1986 before I stopped doing routine Dets to RAF Stanley so I was (possibly more than most) able to monitor, over a period of time, the mood/thinking of The Locals.
But to paraphrase your post:
The benefit to (us in the UK?) was the overthrow of a cruel and corrupt (civil??) dictatorship and the restoration of democracy; unfortunately that very democracy now seems intent on using exactly the same strategy over the UK to divert attention from other problems that the government is dealing with.
I merely use this to point out that politicians of all parties, creeds, govts, countries, etc, use the same ploys to get re-elected, or to hide from their electorates the parlous state of the “home” economy, etc, and the problems therein. Recent arrests in the UK may be taken into context!!!
There is a considerable body of work to be done to discover why there has never (yet!!!) been a military takeover in the UK since Cromwell?
HTH
Resmoroh
PS Which Uni shall we do our PhD for?
By: Resmoroh - 13th March 2012 at 15:58
WA$, Hi,
Point taken! It was Easter 1986 before I stopped doing routine Dets to RAF Stanley so I was (possibly more than most) able to monitor, over a period of time, the mood/thinking of The Locals.
But to paraphrase your post:
The benefit to (us in the UK?) was the overthrow of a cruel and corrupt (civil??) dictatorship and the restoration of democracy; unfortunately that very democracy now seems intent on using exactly the same strategy over the UK to divert attention from other problems that the government is dealing with.
I merely use this to point out that politicians of all parties, creeds, govts, countries, etc, use the same ploys to get re-elected, or to hide from their electorates the parlous state of the “home” economy, etc, and the problems therein. Recent arrests in the UK may be taken into context!!!
There is a considerable body of work to be done to discover why there has never (yet!!!) been a military takeover in the UK since Cromwell?
HTH
Resmoroh
PS Which Uni shall we do our PhD for?
By: hampden98 - 13th March 2012 at 14:45
hampden98,
Oh dear.
Fray Bentos is a town in URUGUAY, the Fray Bentos meat company was British and the meat packing plant closed in 1979.
Well, at least someone didn’t point out that Vulcans are not equipped for Cheese Based ordenance!
By: hampden98 - 13th March 2012 at 14:45
hampden98,
Oh dear.
Fray Bentos is a town in URUGUAY, the Fray Bentos meat company was British and the meat packing plant closed in 1979.
Well, at least someone didn’t point out that Vulcans are not equipped for Cheese Based ordenance!
By: Collis - 13th March 2012 at 14:43
CH5 in UK tonight at 8pm:
http://www.channel5.com/shows/revealed/episodes/the-great-falklands-war-gamble-revealed
The Great Falklands Gamble Revealed
By: Collis - 13th March 2012 at 14:43
CH5 in UK tonight at 8pm:
http://www.channel5.com/shows/revealed/episodes/the-great-falklands-war-gamble-revealed
The Great Falklands Gamble Revealed
By: Creaking Door - 13th March 2012 at 14:40
But don’t forget that as soon as the Argies had been chucked out of the Falklands the vast majority of The Locals just wanted us (the UK military) to go away and leave them as they had been before!
And, to be fair, that’s a pretty natural response for any people who’ve experienced a friendly, yet also unwelcome, invasion; shades of ‘Yanks Go Home’?
In reality the UK probably should have gone home; while we continued to defend the Falklands we probably didn’t need to maintain the sort of garrison that we did (do) and it just gives the Argentines the excuse to accuse the UK of colonialism (while quietly forgetting that invasion that they mounted in 1982).
The real benefit to the UK isn’t the ‘possession’ of the Islands, the oil revenue (the UK government or taxpayer will not get any of that) or even the access to Antarctica; the real benefit, I believe, was to Britain’s standing in the World (in some quarters at least); Britain wasn’t just a paper-tiger, a former shadow of our empire, but a country that believed in the rule of international law and that was prepared to fight if another country crossed the line. Of course much of that benefit has now been frittered away by successive governments.
The benefit to Argentina was the overthrow of a cruel and corrupt military dictatorship and the restoration of democracy; unfortunately that very democracy now seems intent on using exactly the same strategy over the Falklands to divert attention from other problems that the government is dealing with.
By: Creaking Door - 13th March 2012 at 14:40
But don’t forget that as soon as the Argies had been chucked out of the Falklands the vast majority of The Locals just wanted us (the UK military) to go away and leave them as they had been before!
And, to be fair, that’s a pretty natural response for any people who’ve experienced a friendly, yet also unwelcome, invasion; shades of ‘Yanks Go Home’?
In reality the UK probably should have gone home; while we continued to defend the Falklands we probably didn’t need to maintain the sort of garrison that we did (do) and it just gives the Argentines the excuse to accuse the UK of colonialism (while quietly forgetting that invasion that they mounted in 1982).
The real benefit to the UK isn’t the ‘possession’ of the Islands, the oil revenue (the UK government or taxpayer will not get any of that) or even the access to Antarctica; the real benefit, I believe, was to Britain’s standing in the World (in some quarters at least); Britain wasn’t just a paper-tiger, a former shadow of our empire, but a country that believed in the rule of international law and that was prepared to fight if another country crossed the line. Of course much of that benefit has now been frittered away by successive governments.
The benefit to Argentina was the overthrow of a cruel and corrupt military dictatorship and the restoration of democracy; unfortunately that very democracy now seems intent on using exactly the same strategy over the Falklands to divert attention from other problems that the government is dealing with.
By: Enobarbus - 13th March 2012 at 14:39
hampden98,
Oh dear.
Fray Bentos is a town in URUGUAY, the Fray Bentos meat company was British and the meat packing plant closed in 1979.
By: Enobarbus - 13th March 2012 at 14:39
hampden98,
Oh dear.
Fray Bentos is a town in URUGUAY, the Fray Bentos meat company was British and the meat packing plant closed in 1979.
By: hampden98 - 13th March 2012 at 14:08
I still say the biggest travesty was the failure of MAF to embargo any Argentinian cornbeef based products. If we had just clamped down on the import of Frey Bentos’s Juicy Pie and Canned Meet range we could have starved the Argies, economically as well as mentally, and forced them into a `Cold Pie War`. We would then have won by a Vulcan NAFFI Cheese Rolls drop on Acension!
By: hampden98 - 13th March 2012 at 14:08
I still say the biggest travesty was the failure of MAF to embargo any Argentinian cornbeef based products. If we had just clamped down on the import of Frey Bentos’s Juicy Pie and Canned Meet range we could have starved the Argies, economically as well as mentally, and forced them into a `Cold Pie War`. We would then have won by a Vulcan NAFFI Cheese Rolls drop on Acension!
By: Resmoroh - 13th March 2012 at 14:06
But don’t forget that as soon as the Argies had been chucked out of the Falklands the vast majority of The Locals just wanted us (the UK military) to go away and leave them as they had been before! They were totally unable to grasp the fact that it was never, ever, going to be the way it was before – possibly the last feudal society in the western world? Hopefully the introduction of new genetic strains has counteracted the problems they had before.
HTH
Resmoroh
By: Resmoroh - 13th March 2012 at 14:06
But don’t forget that as soon as the Argies had been chucked out of the Falklands the vast majority of The Locals just wanted us (the UK military) to go away and leave them as they had been before! They were totally unable to grasp the fact that it was never, ever, going to be the way it was before – possibly the last feudal society in the western world? Hopefully the introduction of new genetic strains has counteracted the problems they had before.
HTH
Resmoroh
By: Creaking Door - 13th March 2012 at 13:17
I say that the Falklands should declare themselves a self-governing country and get rid of their colonial masters…
The Falkland Islands are a self-governing country!
The islands are a dependency of the UK; they depend on the UK for their defence against aggression…
…the sort of aggression displayed by Argentina in 1982.
By: Creaking Door - 13th March 2012 at 13:17
I say that the Falklands should declare themselves a self-governing country and get rid of their colonial masters…
The Falkland Islands are a self-governing country!
The islands are a dependency of the UK; they depend on the UK for their defence against aggression…
…the sort of aggression displayed by Argentina in 1982.
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