Fw190 – Black 3

Its in my back garden. Found it when I cleared the brambles. Unfortunately the MOD wont give me a licence to recover it. Thats why you have never heard about it. 🙂

I really must get on to the Parish Council and get them to smarten up the village. Never win Britain’s Best Kept Village looking like something out of the Urals.

Tangmere, I have tried to PM you but your inbox is full!!

need some info 🙂

The colour Fw190 images originated from the BattleGround Relics website. Here are direct links to the two Fw190 images:

http://battlegroundrelics.com/album/color-photo-derelict-fw-190
http://battlegroundrelics.com/album/color-photo-focke-wulf-fw-190

…and here is a shot of a Bf110 taken from the bottom of my garden here is sunny south London 😉

http://battlegroundrelics.com/album/rare-color-photo-me-110

cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

You’ve got a little goldmine there, Andy. With a couple of pots of paint and an angle-grinder you could keep ebay flooded with Battle of Britain Spitfire relics for a few years.

😉

Not a Fw190 expert but wasn’t Black 3 recovered? :confused:

It was being worked on at Kissimmee at Easter 2008?

http://www.white1foundation.org/ You need to scroll down for details.

http://www.kissimmeeairmuseum.com/

I believe that this is simply a period colour photo, possibly from just after the war, say 1950ish? I’m sure there was lots of this kind of “rubbish” lying around Russia for many years afterwards.

greg v.

My thoughts are, it is unlikely that the trailing edge and rear fusalage seperation would result in an apparently semi decent landing.
An after crash fire in these areas would be odd as they are the less prone parts and no burn marks, also dosen’t look like its dredged up from somewhere, paint and markings too clean.
Maybe, post war enemy ‘spoils’?

so, possibly is faked up somehow, but if it is, it is done so very convincingly.

Its in my back garden. Found it when I cleared the brambles. Unfortunately the MOD wont give me a licence to recover it. Thats why you have never heard about it. 🙂

I really must get on to the Parish Council and get them to smarten up the village. Never win Britain’s Best Kept Village looking like something out of the Urals.

Bloomin eagle eyes…

Now I look, the aft portion of the wing is covered by foliage. Wingtip still looks odd though.

U/C access panel looks OK to me on L/E of wing.

I dont think it is a ‘flat’, but there is no indication of when the picture was taken; could be any time, so condition at the time of the picture is not relevant.

We spoke to the guy that posted it, but he had no idea where it was from; he too had found it on the web somewhere!

Bruce

Looks genuine enough to me, but appears that all the control surfaces are missing aft of their wing joint line giving the illusion of a complete wing. The Cross wouldn’t have been that close to the trailing edge.

Your right Pagen

The control rod is well inboard of the aileron and there is a fairing on the trailing edge of the wing (leading edge of aileron)

The aileron is missing.

There is damage to the trailing edge of the wing tip, also there does not appear to be enough room from the undercarraige maintenence hole on the leading edge [wing]to the fuselage. I don’t think the fuselage and the wing is connected. Maybe in moving it they have placed the fuselage too far up the wing?

Anyway, something not quite right…….

Baz

Looks like a movie “flat” to me. After that long its in too good a condition.

Fake!

I agreen that for something which has been lying in the open (or even submerged for that long) it looks too good. The Brewster Buffalo is in a far more believable condition.

No, it definitely shows the full shape of the wing. For all of the structure aft of the spar to be missing and so cleanly wouldnt just be odd! As I say, the wingtip lines through correctly, which it wouldnt if the aileron and other parts were missing.

Bruce

No, the flap is not a full flap – it mounts on the underside of the wing. If the aileron was missing, there would be a big hole, and the wingtip would not work.
Bruce

Sorry I didn’t explain very well, what I mean is that it looks like all of the trailing edge is missing from the aileron hinge line (rear spar?) of the wing.
I suppose it would be odd for this to occur in a forced landing.
The cross generally ends further forward of the the training edge than what appears in that pic.
There are certainly pictures of models on the website, but this is a good one if it is.
I can never understand in this day and age why photographs of this sort of thing are always low quality!

And it wouldn’t look that good being in the open for so many years. Movie prop?

No, the flap is not a full flap – it mounts on the underside of the wing. If the aileron was missing, there would be a big hole, and the wingtip would not work.

The photo shows the full shape of the wing.

Bruce

Looks genuine enough to me, but appears that all the control surfaces are missing aft of their wing joint line giving the illusion of a complete wing. The Cross wouldn’t have been that close to the trailing edge.

I do know a thing or two about Fw190’s…..

There is something odd about this website. Every other thing on there is either reasonably well known, or perfectly plausible.

The Focke Wulf is odd. It isnt a known aircraft, or as far as I am aware, a known recovery. If you zoom in on the picture, there is something very odd about the wing – it has no ailerons, although the full shape of the wing is shown. The wingtip however is quite believable.

I think this is a fake, but we have a czech guy on staff who is making enquiries!

Bruce

Did the Buffalo end up in the states, to be restored as a flyer maybe.?

It did, it was aquired by the Naval Museum at Pennsacola IIRC, but has been returned to Finland ‘on loan’ and is currently displayed in a conserved ‘as found’ condition.

WOW… both the FW190 and the Brewster Buffalo look in fantastic condition. Does make one wonder what else is going to surface in time.!
Did the Buffalo end up in the states, to be restored as a flyer maybe.?