Geforce is gone

RE: Rabie, chose history

> Geforce is gone …. but he is still alive and I like that !!!

Indeed! a venerable Jesus- He dies, yet lives !!!

> There is no evidence that Jesus was a non-violent protestor

Lack of evidence is not evidence. Besides, whatever some sources claim about Jesus, and your theory is one that I’ve never heard of before, are irrelevent. There is no evidence the man even existed, let alone that he died and came back to life. What is important is what Christian belief is based on, what the teachings of the last 2000 thousand years say, and that is that Jesus was a nonviolent reformist. To claim that the man was a terrorist is an exoneration of people who truely are terrorists, i.e. those who fly hijacked planes into skyscrapers.

> I wonder though if in the times of Jesus movements resembling
> Shas’s (and others) behaviour existed…

Of course they did. Jesus was born into a time of great divisions within Judaism, with extremists prevailing over moderates, dominating the political scene and dictating the course of events in Judea. After all, Jewish belief is that Jerusalem was sacked and the Second Temple destoryed because of senseless or baseless hatred which evoked the wrath of God. Some would say that is just what Shas is propagating …

—————————————-
” So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see. Biggles! Put her in the Comfy Chair! “

RE: Rabie, chose history

Well, in any case, Jesus is a martyr. I wonder though if in the times of Jesus movements resembling Shas’s (and others) behaviour existed…

RE: Rabie, chose history

>I’m really not a hippy, Arthur. 🙁 Really not.

Boo hoo… 😀 I know you’re not a hippie. The only real leftist here on these forums is me of course, for eventually we will all arise and march forward to a bright future under the Red Banner of Socialism 😉 . Provided i get to be dictator for life, that is. Until i reach that stage, i try to vote for the common good in stead of my personal benefit. And i do believe a government has a big responsibility over it’s citizens so… i’m a lefto.

>And I don’t think the show would be that great idea. Unless
>you add some security like in Jerry Springer who prevent me
>from smashing chairs on a particular person’s head. (and
>vice versa) :7 }>

Who said the chair-smashing should be prevented? No, seriously, i was thinking about putting the two of you separate cages with only small objects to throw at each other.

>I still think the extra courses in journalims will help,
>though my principal concern are my lessons history. Did you
>learn history perhaps? I know some guys working for Reuters
>and the Economist (friends of my brother), but they only
>select the very best.

A course in journalism could do fine, but it depends on what that course actually is. Journalism is a lot more than writing in a certain style, but unfortunately courses only do that (and rightfully so, still plenty of journos which can’t write a decent article). A course in mass-media would be far more interesting for most people. It would provide with a more realistic view on how media work, and especially how it responds to the public and vice versa.

The basic thing you have to keep in mind is the simplified Arthur Formula (invented by me of course, and often stated to be far too cynical but i haven’t seen it refuted yet):

Nv = QD/Dª *vf

Nv is the news value
C is the quantity of (presumed) deaths
D is the geographical distance of the public to the location of the news event.
a is the factor of public awereness: the more ignorant or oblivious the public, the less interested they are in far-away events.
vf is a variable consisting of amount of violence, visuality, and a few other factors.

You can also add factors for specific types of media of course: inkreporters like me care far less about images than TV, for example.

>But you can always apply, and if not,
>there are many other jobs for somebody who learned history,
>like working for the office of foreign affairs, the EU, NATO
>or in a private company.

What about being a teacher? Vastly underrated job.

RE: Rabie, chose history

Geforce is gone …. but he is still alive and I like that !!! 🙂

RE: Rabie, chose history

There is no evidence that Jesus was a non-violent protestor. Some sources claim that he was a freedom fighter from an organisation (can’t remember the name anymore) who killed Romans with knives. This is terrorism I guess. I never read the bible (I’d rather reed the Chinese phonebook), but they are people who believe Jesus was a terrorist aka freedom fighter. Terrorism is as old as mankind.

Anyway, for the Romans he was a dangerous man, because he openly expressed his disbelief in the Roman Empire. Unfortunattely the Romans did not have cruise missiles and carriers yet, otherwise they could have triggered a war against terrorism or maybe a pre emptive strike. History is easy, it always repeats itself!

RE: Rabie, chose history

> Even the ancient Romans and Greeks had trouble with terrorists
> (Jesus was one, I’m deadly serious).

Hmm, my knowledge of Christianity must be flawed. How was Jesus a terrorist? The man was a political dissident who opposed the Romans and the corrupt Jewish priesthood. I must have missed the point when he begun killing people in the name of his political objectives.
One can only treat Jesus as a terrorist if one has some romantic notion of terrorists, judging them by their aims alone (religious reform, political independence) and not by their methods (killing, blowing up people, those nasty little details).

—————————————-
” So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see. Biggles! Put her in the Comfy Chair! “

RE: Rabie, chose history

I’m really not a hippy, Arthur. 🙁 Really not. If I had to chose a political party, it wouldn’t be the PvdA (certainly NOT the SP), nor the Greens, but probably VVD.

And I don’t think the show would be that great idea. Unless you add some security like in Jerry Springer who prevent me from smashing chairs on a particular person’s head. (and vice versa) :7 }>

I still think the extra courses in journalims will help, though my principal concern are my lessons history. Did you learn history perhaps? I know some guys working for Reuters and the Economist (friends of my brother), but they only select the very best. But you can always apply, and if not, there are many other jobs for somebody who learned history, like working for the office of foreign affairs, the EU, NATO or in a private company.

RE: Rabie, chose history

Good you’re staying – i’m equally happy with you remaining here as i am with PII returning. I really like those Hippie vs Redneck-fights between you. When will the two of you be having your own TV-show? A nice mixture of Wayne’s World and Newsnight does sound like a nice addition to the junk TV is offering us!

And good luck studying modern history. And don’t worry too much – after a while, you’ll be reading the Palmer&Colton bible for fun! I still read it occasionally, just for the heck of remembering the Modern World started with the Black Plague 😀 Nice you also want to add some journalism, although i warn you the combination does tend to make people cynical (i already was cynical, so now i’m pitch-black sarcastic).

Rabie, chose history

You can’t understand the world today if you don’t know what has happened yesterday. I talked to some guys studying international relations. They were claiming that terrorism was a new form a warfare, discovered after WWII. So wrong, terrorism was something widely used during the French Revolution in 1789. Even the ancient Romans and Greeks had trouble with terrorists (Jesus was one, I’m deadly serious). Therefor I think you should always learn from a broader perspective. I think the civilitations of the ancient Indians, Egyptians, Chinese can tell us so much more than what we like to refer today as western civilitation. I’ll be studying American history also (easiest, not much has happened since 1776 exept the civil war}>), not that it is so interesting, but I would really want to learn how Americans look at the rest of the world, maybe one day I’ll come to understand them.

It’s particularry interesting because you can place events into history. 9/11 for example will be forgotten in 50 years (maybe not in the US but elsewhere). I always have to laugh when people say 9/11 changed the history for good. That’s just BS, looking back at the history of the past 500 years 9/11 wouldn’t even make it in the top-1000 of horrible events. The last event that changed the world for good is WWII.

RE: Quitting the Forum?

where ever i look (modern history) i see courses that have a little bit of post ww2 but have significant parts pre ww2.

international relations seams to have more history in it that i like, but if i saw a course that was just post ww2 that would be great.

in my grades im equally good at politics and histroy and i really like both.

rabie :9

RE: Quitting the Forum?

those lessons look like fun! I’d had History at school and the exam subject was German from 1800 so much, the start of the German reich witch the Keisers until 1990. The lessons where great, learned a lot of why the wars where started and so on.

RE: Quitting the Forum?

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 12-09-02 AT 09:33 AM (GMT)]I first wanted to study international relations but then I saw my class: 600 three-huggers. Nah, nothing for me. I want to do something original, there aren’t so many who graduate from modern history. And the nice thing, you can chose your own program, for example lessons like “Europe after WWII”, “history of the US, Israel, EU, Russia” …

RE: Quitting the Forum?

oi!!!

where do you think your going you socalist tree hugger }> 😀 }>

———-

yeh i understand that you have a huge job representing the socalsits, the europeans, the hippies, etc, etc 😀 – just do what you cna in the time you’ve got. as min says unfotuntely your studies are more important.

i too am looking a t modern history, but also international relations, international history, etc

see ya about mate 🙂

rabie :9

RE: Quitting the Forum?

Well I’m doing modern history (from the 15th century till today) + an extra courses in journalism. I also want to beef up my knowlegde on foreign languages, especially English and German. French is already OK I guess

RE: Quitting the Forum?

Geforce,

I am just joining the moviment: “Stay Geforce”. 😉 I am also a universitary student (by the way, what curse will you get? Im a eletrical engineering student) and I believe me: It isnt that hard to conciliate study time with time to be here in this forum.

Regards,
Primer55

RE: Quitting the Forum?

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 09-09-02 AT 03:05 PM (GMT)]mainly because they think it’s funny to talk about thinks I have never said, let me look like a complete fool and attack me ad hominem with the same weak arguments.

You know damn well that it aint true.Let people say what the hell they want.To hell with them.Sticking around makes it even more annoying for your enemies.And let’s not pretend that there are more than just a very few of them.But at the end,it’s just a webforum and not the end of the world.

but anyone reasonable who I talked with knows I’m not an aggresive guy and respects everyone opinion. I think there’s enough evidence on the forum.

Yes there is.And is’nt that a reason enough to stay.Now keep quiet and get back to posting.

RE: Quitting the Forum?

You work through lunchtime. isn’t it the other way around, like most do? :7

RE: Quitting the Forum?

Words of wisdom !!!! Well done 🙂

RE: Quitting the Forum?

I know what you mean about time pressure Geforce, I personally use the forum at lunch time. Otherwise I’d just work through lunch which isn’t good for you in the long run.

It’d be a shame for you to go though – reconsider?

RE: Quitting the Forum?

Well, maybe I reacted a bit too soon. But I was really, really pissed off. Anyway, college starts within 2 weeks so from that moment on I won’t have much time anyway, only in the weekends, and there are more important things to do in weekends, aren’t there?

I’ll stay on the board for a little while longer but I’m not going into discussion with certain members anymore. I think it doesn’t contribute much to the board anyway, so I just focus on discussing with reasonable people, or 99 % of the forum.