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Gemini Spacecraft

This probably the wrong place for this query but here goes. It flew and it’s Historic.
I have seen a Gemini Capsule on display at the Royal Museum in Chambers Street, Edinburgh but it is covered over. As you can see from the photograph it appears to have wheels. They seem to be retractable but really too large to be carried on a space mission with all the weight restrictions. My memory suggests that initially the Gemini spacecraft were to land on skids with a rogallo wing rather than a parchute but that this was not actually used. Anyone know which Gemini is in Edinburgh and anything about the wheels

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By: Eric Mc - 30th December 2005 at 20:58

It wasn’t that the American engineers and designers were unaware of the fire hazard. If weight had not been such a crucial issue when designing the Mercury capsule, they would not have gone withb pure oxygen design. As I mentioned aerlier, the original Apollo Command Module was being designed even before Mercury had flown, so pure oxygen was retained as a basic requirement for Apollo as well- again to save weight.

By 1967, the technicians had become so used to dealing with pure oxygen that they had grown casual and blase about the risk and minimised the hazard in their own minds, On January 27 1967, they paid the price for that lax atitude.

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By: VK3UKF - 30th December 2005 at 12:14

Hi all, I remember reading a book translated from Russian on the design and use of spacecraft. The book was written in the either the late 1950’s or I am thinking of something mentioned in one of Cosmonaut Titov’s books from the 1960’s. This was before Apollo 1 fire. ‘A manned spacecrafts atmosphere should not be more than ?? so many pounds per sqaure inch pressure, and should be composed of a mixture of oxygen and nitrogen. An atmoshpere of pure oxygen is to be avoided, should there be a fire’.
Unfortunately, it was all in writing years before the fire.

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By: Eric Mc - 29th December 2005 at 14:56

It was in that context that he was making those comments. I wonder what the astronauts’ opinion was when it was announced in 1972 that the same company (now Rockwell of course) got the contract for the Shuttle Orbiter?

What a lot of people often don’t realse is that NA were actually building two very different kinds of Command Modules in the mid 1960s, called Block 1 and Block 2 respectively. The Block 1 design dated back to 1959/60 when the successor to Mercury was being formulated. It did not have any EVA or docking capabilities as these requirements were not envisaged at that time. Once JFK announced that America was going to the moon and Apollo was going to be the vehicle to get there, NA had to totally redesign the Command Module to allow docking and EVA. To save time, they cointinued with the original concept – the plan being that the early Apollo flights, which would not carry a Lunar Module, could go ahead more quickly if the earlier spaceship was used. Apollo 1 would have used a Block 1 Command Module.

After the fire, the whole idea of using Block 1 spacecraft was dropped and no Block1 ever carried men into space.

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By: MarkG - 29th December 2005 at 12:59

The astronauts felt that the NA people were far too arrogant and unwilling to take on board the astronauts’ suggestions

Which is a terrible shame given what happened to Apollo 1.

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By: Eric Mc - 29th December 2005 at 09:04

No you didn’t – but the thread title is about Gemini capsules – and not everyone here may be up to speed on who flew what spaceships. 🙂

Since we have deviated onto other US space programmes, I am currently reading Gene Cernan’s autobiography. He explains early on in the book how unhappy the astronaut corps were with North American who built the Apollo Command Module. They MUCH preferred dealing with McDonnell, who had built the Mercury and Gemini capsules. The astronauts felt that the NA people were far too arrogant and unwilling to take on board the astronauts’ suggestions – unlike McD who were far more receptive and co-operative.

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By: zoot horn rollo - 28th December 2005 at 18:10

Of course, did I say otherwise? 😉

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By: Eric Mc - 28th December 2005 at 17:12

Which is a Mercury capsule, of course.

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By: zoot horn rollo - 28th December 2005 at 16:47

I remember going to see John Glenn’s capsule at the Chambers Street Museum a very very long time ago…

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By: Robert Whitton - 28th December 2005 at 10:31

I suppose it logical that it came from Manchester perhaps after their loan period was up. I will see how it is described in the literature when the area is open fully to the public

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By: Eric Mc - 28th December 2005 at 09:26

Good guess by me then 🙂

I’ve always been a fan of the Gemini programme. It kind of gets forgotten because it came between Mercury and Apollo and yet they carried out some dramatic and important tasks during those flights. The photos and film taken on the Gemini missions are some of the most spectacular manned spaceflight images ever.

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By: TonyA - 28th December 2005 at 00:09

This link gives the locations of all the US capsules:
Spacecraft locations
Assuming the one discussed is the one that was in Manchester then it is TTV-2 (Towed Test Vehicle) for use in the Paraglider programme

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By: David Burke - 27th December 2005 at 23:24

If it’s the same Gemini it was transported across circa 1985 .

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By: Eric Mc - 27th December 2005 at 21:19

Is it full size or a boiler plate I wonder? I’ve seen photos of a black and white dummy Gemini capsule being towed aloft behind a DC-3 and I’m pretty sure it had a fixed wheeled undercarriage.

The big question is, how did this device end up in the UK?

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By: Shorty01 - 27th December 2005 at 19:28

The Gemini spacecraft was indeed originally designed to land on retractable wheels. The Rogallo wing design for these spacecraft is credited with giving birth to hang gliders, so more than adequate credentials for being on here.

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By: David Burke - 27th December 2005 at 18:14

Is it the example that was at the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry ? I don’t believe they were used as such.

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