German museum pics: Flugwerft Schleissheim (Munich)

Fokker D.VII in Oberschleissheim

Dear BW Roger,
After my visit to watch the Fokker D.VII in Oberschleissheim in December 2010, I have been looking for more information on this plane especially pictures of Goering with this aircraft, registration D-20 of the Dutch MLD at Schiphol Airport in 1940. Sofar I have found just one in “Der Adler”, 25 Juni 1940, p. Unfortunately, the registration is not visible. Also in the Netherlands it is really difficult to find any information on the history of the D-20. In the German magazine “Flugzeug” Nr. 6 Dezember 1988/Januar 1989, p. 5/6 you will find more on the German history of this Fokker after WWII.
Most of all I am really interested in the papers you have of ownership of the machine. What does they say? Is it possible to tell me more of these papers?
Regards W. Snieder, Voorburg, The Netherlands

Here is the picture, showing the Dutch markings. Hope it will return to Holland one day. BW Roger

That Fokker D7 is stolen from Holland by H. Goring in 1940.

Well, that’s new to me; all I know about its provenance is that it was found in a barn in Bavaria just after WWII and given to the msueum by the American authorities. Anyway, I don’t want to get into politics about this, I’m just happy it is in one piece on safe public display somewhere 🙂

hi folks,

thanks Kenneth for pic’s! It has nearly been 10 years ago, when I visited “Flugwerft Schleißheim”. That time it was newly open.

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I don’t suppose you know what the missile/launch vehicle is in the background of the jet row photo is ?

Looks like a Europa rocket from the 60’s.

Yes, as I am just reading in the museum guide (in German only!!! 😡 ), that missile/launch vehicle is the Europa rocket F-15 from the 60’s/70’s.

More info over the Europa rocket F-15:
Link: http://www.univ-perp.fr/fuseurop/europa_e.htm

Link “Flugwerft Schleißheim”:
http://www.deutsches-museum.de/e_index.htm
Only some pages are in English!!! 😡
But I recommend the page “Aeroplane restoration – A workshop made of glass”:
http://www.deutsches-museum.de/zweig/werft/e_rest.htm

Kenneth, hoped you enjoyed your visit in Munich!

fightingirish

It would be nice if the Fokker could return to its previous owner (holland) but I think they adore it in Germany too. So I think it will be hard to return this historical machine to The Netherlands.

PS: Thanks Kenneth for that pic of the Stiglietz in this special paint sheme. Well done!

J.V.

Here is the picture, showing the Dutch markings. Hope it will return to Holland one day. BW Roger

Hi Kenneth,

That Fokker D7 is stolen from Holland by H. Goring in 1940. He visited Schiphol ( a Luftwaffe base since a few weeks then) and noticed the D7 (which was earmarked for a Dutch museum in 39 or so) in the Fokker Factory. He ordered it to bring it to Germany, and that is the story. I have a picture of it showing it the Dutch markings under the German ones. Unfortunatly, most governements are more interested in stolen paintings/art in WW2 than aircraft, but to say it simpley, the machine on show was stolen and it belongs in Holland. We still have the papers of ownership of the machine here, so if the Dutch governement wants it (but they don’t as it is not interested in aircraft) they can reclaim it. Don’t think there are many museums around in Germany that displays objects stolen by the Nazi’s today. BW Roger

I don’t suppose you know what the missile/launch vehicle is in the background of the jet row photo is ?

Looks like a Europa rocket from the 60’s.

Regards,

Paul

Excellent photos Kenneth. What’s the story on the He 111 under restoration ? Is it an He-111 or a Casa ?

It’s a CASA 2.111 (c/n 025), ex D-CAGI, G-AWHA, B.21-77 (Spanish AF), which has been displayed here for many years in a camouflage paint scheme (but without markings). It is being restored in its original Spanish AF colours, which I find a very commendable decision (rather than trying to display it as something which it isn’t).

I don’t suppose you know what the missile/launch vehicle is in the background of the jet row photo is ?

Sorry, I don’t 😮 I’ll have a look next time I go there and let you know 😉

Excellent photos Kenneth. What’s the story on the He 111 under restoration ? Is it an He-111 or a Casa ?

I don’t suppose you know what the missile/launch vehicle is in the background of the jet row photo is ?

16) VAK-191 VTOL research aircraft hiding under a Dornier Do 31
17) One of Lutwaffe’s last C-47 (retired in 1976)

These are only some of the aircraft in this museum. If anyone needs directions to the museum, I’d be pleased to help.

Hope you enjoyed the pics… 😉

11) Jet row…
12) MiG-23 Flogger cockpit
13) Lockheed T-33
14) MiG-15UTI (Lim-2bis)
15) Only (?) Hindustan Marut in Europe; IIRC Kurt Tank of Focke-Wulf fame participated in the design of this aircraft, hence its being on display here.

6) LF-1 Zaunkönig (potentially airworthy but no longer flown)
7) Klemm 25 (previously at the BMW museum in Munich)
8) Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz
9) Zlin Z37 cropduster and Yak-50
10) Mint-condition, airworthy Bölkow Bo 209 Monsun (learned to fly in one of these… 😀 ) owned by EADS and Antonov An-2