German Navy – News and Discussion

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New corvette K130 “Braunschweig” pics….

Here are a new pic from the F125 general-purpose frigate…

Picture of the new German corvette Typ K 130 – Braunschweig F 260 on the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems Yard Blohm und Voss, Hamburg

IDAS – Interactive Defence and Attack System loaded on a german sub Type 212A….

Firing Test on the german coast of the north sea….

IDAS – Interactive Defence and Attack System for german Submarines
Four missiles will fit in one torpedo tube, stored in a revolver magazine. First deliveries of IDAS for the German Navy are scheduled from 2009 on.

Make that four missiles stored in a magazine (2 tubes with 2 missiles in-line/behind each other).
Also, development is due to complete in 2009, with first full launch from a sub. In service by the time the second batch Type 212A boat arrive hopefully.

IDAS – Interactive Defence and Attack System for german Submarines

The short-range missile IDAS (based on the IRIS-T missile, primarily against air threats, but also against small-sized sea- or near land targets, is currently being developed by Bodenseewerke Diehl to be fired from Type 212’s torpedo tubes. IDAS will be fibre-optic guided with range of approx. 15 km. Four missiles will fit in one torpedo tube, stored in a revolver magazine. First deliveries of IDAS for the German Navy are scheduled from 2009 on.

Does anyone here knows more about what armament they want to put onto that ships? Why does the German Navy buys those F125s instead of waiting til they can get the MEKO CSL? Costs? Urgend need for frigates like Type 125 and way too much waiting period til they’d get operational CSLs?

Well if thats the Meko CSL in the above picture it appears to be carrying the Bofors 57mm mounting, therefore it is probably significantly smaller than the proposed F-125.

The German Navy 2006

(New Introduction of the German Navy in german and english)

Skrip German Navy 2006

Enjoy

Norway is sending four missile/torpedo boats with a crew of 100.

…and a support ship.

http://www.norwaypost.com/cgi-bin/norwaypost/imaker?id=30279

Will Germany or Norway send some ATL1 or P-3C in east mediterranea to support this international task force??

Norway already has an Orion flying out of Sicily as part of Operation Active Endevour.

Israeli jets clash with German ship near Lebanon

Two Israeli warplanes and a German navy vessel have clashed off the Lebanese coast, the Defense Ministry in Berlin said on Wednesday without giving further details.
Germany daily Der Tagesspiegel earlier on Wednesday quoted a junior German defense minister as telling a parliamentary committee that two Israeli F-16 fighters flew low over the German ship and fired two shots.
The jets also released infra-red countermeasures to ward off any rocket attack, the paper quoted him as saying.
The minister did not say when the incident happened or what had caused it, the paper said.
I can confirm that there was an incident,” a ministry spokesman told Reuters on Wednesday. An investigation was underway and he therefore was unable to provide further information, he added.
An Israeli military spokeswoman said she was checking the report.
Germany assumed command of a United Nations naval force off the coast of Lebanon 10 days ago and has sent a force of eight ships and 1,000 service personnel to join the international peace operation in the region.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-10-25T181044Z_01_L25388477_RTRUKOC_0_US-GERMANY-ISRAEL-INCIDENT.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C5-worldNews-4

Israel denies report jets fired over German ship

Israel on Wednesday denied a German newspaper report that two Israeli air force planes flew over a German navy vessel patrolling Lebanon’s coast, fired twice and activated anti-missile countermeasures.
“There was no such incident,” an Israeli military spokeswoman said.
Der Tagesspiegel daily quoted a German junior defense minister as telling a parliamentary panel about the incident, without saying when or why it had happened. Germany’s Defense Ministry confirmed the incident took place but did not give details.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-10-25T181041Z_01_L25417387_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-L1-RelatedNews-1

any official source for this? harpoonhq is a (computer-)game.

German navy Sorry, in German only. Check the downloads on that page though to veryfy further technical data. Also contains pic of PzH 2000 strapped to the helo deck of frigate Hessen. But no reference to VLUs here.

However, did find reference to them here (near bottom of page):
“Waffensysteme: Seezielflugkörper, Vertical Launching Systems (VLS) Flugkörpersystem RAM, Täuschkörperwurfanlagen, Nahbereichsgeschütz (27 mm), Maschinengewehre MG (12,7 mm), EloGM Radar“

But my impression is no VLUs, as this ship is intended more for shore oriented ops and, like corvette 130, will operate under missile cover of ships like F123 and F124.

That was … untill I hit the websiteof ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, of which BLohm & Voss in Hamburg is now a subsidiary. First thing you see is an image of an F125 version with VLUs. But they show a different CG on their dedicated F125 page.

So, it may be that modularity would allow for easy switch or conversion to VLU carrier, probably swapping out MLRS with reload capability.

See further
http://www.europaeische-sicherheit.de/Ausgaben/2006/2006_06/04_Jedlicka/2006,06,04,01.html

In short, VLU possible but its anyones guess at this point.

any official source for this? harpoonhq is a (computer-)game.

i read for examble some source for the VLS here

The new german Frigates F 125
Length: 143m
Beam: 18 m
Draft: 5 m
Displacement: around 5600t
Propulsion: CODLAG
1 20MW gas turbine
2 4.7MW electric motors
4 2.9MW diesel generators
3 gearboxes: 2 for each shaft and one to crossconnect the gasturbines to them.
2 shafts, driving controllable pitch propellers
Speed: 20kts on diesel only, 27-29kts max.
Range: arround 4000-5000nm
1 1MW bow thruster
Sensors:
1 Phased array radar
2 navigation radars
IFF mode S
Sonar
Laser warning
FL1800S ESM suite
Communications: Link 11, Link 16, Link 22
Countermeasures:
4 Decoy launchers
ECM
Armament:
VLS 32 cells (capability of 64 cells)
8 anti-ship missiles, either RGM-84 Harpoon or RBS 15 Mk3
1 navalized MLRS, 12 rockets with reloads
2 RAM 42 cells – surface-to-air missile launcher/CIWS
1 155 mm gun, based on the turret of the PzH 2000.
4 27 mm MLG 27 autocannon
5 12.7 mm heavy machine guns
2 12,7 mm “sMG”
Water cannons
Other equippement:
2 search lights
Submarine ROVs
4 11 m dinghies, over 40kts fast
Space for two 6.1 m container
Hangar facility: 2 MH-90 helicopters
Complement: 160 (including 50 KSK-commando,navy seals)

the source for this is? i ask because i never read something about a vls until this post.

Nice complement to those two Danish flexible support ships, I think.

The new german Frigates F 125

The German Navy is planning to further develop the concept of a two-tier surface combatant force – a of the new Frigate F 125 general-purpose frigates.

The four F125-frigates will complement the eight F 122 Bremen-class, four F 123 Brandenburg-class anti-submarine frigates, three F 124 Sachsen-class air-defence frigates and five new K 130 corvettes (entering service in 2007-08).

The projected F 125 -class frigates will be the general-purpose ‘workhorses’ of the fleet and would include a capability for command and control of a task group. Its vertical-launcher system infrastructure could also allow for a land-attack capability.

The basic crew will be reduced from ~200 to ~100 in comparison with F124, but it will have the capability to host two complete crews. Next to this it has enough space to accomodate a 50 men strong crew of Special Forces together with rooms for mission planning and control. On deck is space for two standard-containers for additional equipment or technology. The ship will also provide bigger rescue rooms and sick bays than found on actual frigates.
For transport uses they can use the two MH-90 helicopter and four 33ft-speed-boats.

The weapon systems installed enable the ship to fight land, air and sea targets as well as asymmetric attacks. The 76mm-guns used on the frigates F122- F123- F124 will be replaced by Monarc, the ship base variant of the PzH2000.

There is also a possibility that a navalized version of MLRS will be installed.

VLS and AShM are placed to fight air and sea targets and a lot of ‘small arms’ for asymmetric warfare, 2 MLG, 5 12.7mm HMG (automatic) and 2 12.7mm MG.

The sensor suite consists of standard-components, APAR, new generation sonar, but also special equipment for asymmetric warfare, under-water-drones, electro-optical-systems, IR-tracker with weapon control capability even against targets direct next to the ship.

Length: 143m
Beam: 18 m
Draft: 5 m
Displacement: around 5600t
Propulsion: CODLAG
1 20MW gas turbine
2 4.7MW electric motors
4 2.9MW diesel generators
3 gearboxes: 2 for each shaft and one to crossconnect the gasturbines to them.
2 shafts, driving controllable pitch propellers
Speed: 20kts on diesel only, 27-29kts max.
Range: arround 4000-5000nm
1 1MW bow thruster
Sensors:
1 Phased array radar
2 navigation radars
IFF mode S
Sonar
Laser warning
FL1800S ESM suite
Communications: Link 11, Link 16, Link 22
Countermeasures:
4 Decoy launchers
ECM
Armament:
VLS 32 cells (capability of 64 cells)
8 anti-ship missiles, either RGM-84 Harpoon or RBS 15 Mk3
1 navalized MLRS, 12 rockets with reloads
2 RAM 42 cells – surface-to-air missile launcher/CIWS
1 155 mm gun, based on the turret of the PzH 2000.
4 27 mm MLG 27 autocannon
5 12.7 mm heavy machine guns
2 12,7 mm “sMG”
Water cannons
Other equippement:
2 search lights
Submarine ROVs
4 11 m dinghies, over 40kts fast
Space for two 6.1 m container
Hangar facility: 2 MH-90 helicopters
Complement: 160 (including 50 KSK-commando,navy seals)

The 2 frigates, 4 patrol-boats, one Surveillance-ship(ELectronic INTelligence), 2 task force supply ships of the german navy and 2 danish patrol-boats have arrived off the Lebanese coast to help enforce the United Nations-brokered ceasefire agreement that ended a monthlong war between Israel and Hezbollah on August 14. Germany is set to take charge of the multinational naval force off Lebanon’s coast.
Germany is taking charge of the multinational naval force tasked with preventing arms shipments from reaching Lebanon-based Hezbollah militants.
An Italian force is currently operating in the area, and will be largely replaced by the German ships.
Up to 2,400 German navy personnel will patrol the coastline of Lebanon.

Some pics….