German Wreck Photo cica 1971. BUXEY SANDS / North Sea. ANY INFO ?

All gone very quiet?

The parts recovered were definitely JU88, that is for certain.

Found this article from a 1978 booklet of ‘Essex Aviation Group’ which was then based at Duxford.

Any news or updates then?

It would be nice to know of any progress – within reason.

Be cautious who you share your info with Project 9699. Sadly there are a people out there who will raid these sites without MoD permission.

Yes, they could save me a journey, but when they realised my official position, they disappeared and never answered the questions that would have solved my mystery. i have no doubt they could identify the wreckage but to do so might incriminate them, if it is 9699 then it is a war grave.

For that reason I am not able to share more outside the Project Team, until the wreckage is identified. Then I will share with all wether it is 9699 or what type of Aircraft it is.

The future of the wreckage will then be the responsibility of the MOD / USAF /Civil authority concerned.

Ah ok, well then you never know and fingers crossed it is the A-20 you have been looking for, I take it when you say about the other wreck that has been found by “others” that they are not sharing their findings or information? if so that is a real shame.

Redhillwings, your correct, the wreckage above is not an A20, the tyre size was marked 1140 x 410, the 1971 and 1966 photos above are not of the wrecksite i visited. Because of my visit others have been there and found another wreck and possibly taken parts from it. That second wreck could be the one from the 66/71 photos and may be an A20.

My objective is only to locate 43-9699, after that its the responsibility of the USAF and JPAC.

I still have the photos you sent back in 2012, maybe they will match the second wreck.

Hi Ross, We have spoken before when we supplied photos of our A-20 Boston remains, I would say it is not 9699 the landing gear is certainly Ju-88, we have one in the museum which has the same flanged 6 bolt attachments on the end of the wheel axle, the spars also do not look Boston to me. Happy to upload photos of the 88 U/C Leg and also our A-20 wings. We have a Boston which is around 80% complete and you are welcome to come and climb over it should you need further reference. I am sure 9699 is out there somewhere and with this winters storms it could well show itself.

I’ve now put threads with a link to this one on WW2talk.com (war in the air section), and The Airfield Information Exchange.

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The wreckage found at this site. I can post individual photos of any of these pieces on request.

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This is the wreck Tigger photographed in 1971, this photo was taken in 1966 by the light blue spitfire seen in the documentary Operation Crossbow. Taken at 26,000ft with stereoscopic cameras, the pilot and Spitfire were use long after the war for Land and Sea surveillance.

Trivia : MOD Police used to occupy Danesfield House were Op Crossbow photos were analysed by people like Dirk Bogarde I worked there from 1986 to 1992, Those photo were the intelligence that sent the orders for 416th Bomb Group and Bill Cramsies 43-9699 A20 Havoc on the mission to France on April 10 1944 from Raf Wethersfield were MDP moved to in 1992.

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This is the wreck Tigger photographed in 1971, this photo was taken in 1966 by the light blue spitfire seen in the documentary Operation Crossbow. Taken at 26,000ft with stereoscopic cameras, the pilot and Spitfire were use long after the war for Land and Sea surveillance.

Trivia : MOD Police used to occupy Danesfield House were Op Crossbow photos were analysed by people like Dirk Bogarde I worked there from 1986 to 1992, Those photo were the intelligence that sent the orders for 416th Bomb Group and Bill Cramsies 43-9699 A20 Havoc on the mission to France on April 10 1944 from Raf Wethersfield were MDP moved to in 1992.

Finally I have landed :eagerness::eagerness:

I am Ross Stewart you will read about me in issue 7 and 8 of East Coast Sailing linked in a post above. Now retired Chief Inspector, still Project Manager of 9699, and also Historian and Curator of RAF Wethersfield Museum.

I will post more in this thread about the first wreck I found on Buxey, yes there is a second wreck, more on that another day.

Very keen to make contact with Tigger, as his experience and photos are a key part of the story of the wreck in his photos.

Google Bill Cramsie to find out more about Project 9699.

Thanks to Whitley_Project and Stan05 for their help.

Just need to look at how to post photos now hope fully it easy as I have many for this and other threads.

Link sent to me from Ross:

http://cramsie.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2014-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2015-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=4

I also found this:

http://cramsie.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/wethersfield-revisited.html

http://www.416th.com/671cramsie.html

I have a set of control rod linkages from this wreck, I will get around to posting a photo asap.

Many thanks, your details have now been sent to Ross and I’ve forwarded what he’s sent to me. Keep us all up to date please.

No problem – i’ve pm’d my email.

Hello all. I’ve been contacted today by a new member on here who doesn’t have full posting privileges yet, (Ross699). He is very interested in this post as he has a strong interest in the aircraft wreck or wrecks – he believes there are two different aircraft buried near each other, and he is eager to make contact with two members on here.

Ross is the author of the article in the ‘East Coast Sailing’ journal (link to this in post 9 by ‘Whitley Project’). and has requested I make contact with both ‘Whitley Project’ and ‘tigger’ as he would like to pass on an e-mail to you both. This he has sent to me in hope that I can help. I have sent you both a PM and I await your response.

Many thanks.

A group from Historic Aircraft Museum which included Bill Gent and Stan and David Brett and possibly Alan Jasper and others visited a JU-88 on Buxey Sands in August 1972. The museum newsletter says that they recovered a crew seat, some cockpit framing and a pair of radiators but I also remember a first aid / surgeons kit still in a leather wallet which included some rather nasty looking saws. It is possible the recovered parts were passed on to ERG after the museum closed.
As far as I remember they said that there wasn’t time to recover very much as the sands aren’t uncovered for long at low tide and it has a reputation as a pretty dodgy area because the tides are very unpredictable.