Germany wants the Queen to apologize for bombing them?

Get this man editing the Daily Express!

Instead of wanting each others to apologize, we should do our best to prevent wars and senseless deaths (- I´m sorry, but I´m not able to express myself better, my english is too worse.)[/QUOTE]

Well said, Chris!

And DO NOT apologise for your English ever again – (a) we understand the point because you have made it very well and (b) those of us who speak English as a first language are notorious for not speaking anything else! So Brownie points for expressing something heartfelt in a second tongue!

Adrian
(which smiley do I use for that lot, I wonder?)

I feel a Fawlty Towers moment coming on…… 😀

Basil: ‘You started the war.’
German guest: ‘No we didn’t.’
Basil: ‘Yes you did,you invaded Poland.’

And now someone wants us to apologise for the whole event? Am I missing something here? :confused:

Should we therefore ask the Germans to apologise for building the Trabant?
Should we ask the Germans to apologise for putting their towels on the sunbeds?
Should we ask the Germans to apologise for their women having hairy armpits?
Should we ask the Germans to apologise for their greatest sporting hero who has won the F1 championship 7 times?

Well,maybe the last one is ok,but if we were to ask them to apologise for things that we thought were unsuitable,what do you think their response would be?

How about,up yours British swine?

I think the whole idea of us apologizing,should be treat with the contempt it deserves,and if there were to be any apologizing to be done,then it’s THEY who should be doing it.After all,the allies lost 1000’s of lives,unnecessarily,because one man had lost the plot.

Ken.

Creating BS anti-European stories seems all the British Press is any good at these days – another “bash the Germans” story for the Little Englanders to enjoy. The Empire’s gone, the war is over – move on!

-Nick

Wether or not this is fabrication, we can no longer placate with the handing back of our Empire, all we have left is apologies!!!!! Why?

Something else that comes to mind, in the past many groups and Governments have sought an apology from the Government of Japan for treatment of Allied prisoners. I think they finally got one recently, didn’t they, after years of denials.

And I think you’ll find that there was absolutely no money what-so-ever involved…:mad:

Flood

I agree with you Mev, it most probably is press rubbish, which is why I made my earlier quip.

However, there is a precedent in this case. HM THe Quuen has already been forced to apologise for previous military scirmishes she had nothing to do with, various land grabs during the Maori Wars here in New Zealand, thanks to the Waitangi Tribunal. Oh yes, the apology comes along with millions of dollars worth of reparation each time too. Imagine if that happened in the Germany case, yikes!

Something else that comes to mind, in the past many groups and Governments have sought an apology from the Government of Japan for treatment of Allied prisoners. I think they finally got one recently, didn’t they, after years of denials.

However, as James has said this is just another slow news day story.

Don’t fall for the trick of reacting to it. It is not worthy.

Bad press playing with your minds . . .

It is not worth rising to the challenge of answering.

MH

Interesting point Flood – however from memory we asked for an undertaking from the German Ambassador that German forces were to withdraw from Poland. At that point our ultimatum gave a time for the reply and after that a state of war would exist. You could argue that both sides declared war (Germany and England) .

Not exactly, as I understand it. Britain and France declared war on Germany, because Germany ignored the ultimatum or didn’t do something. Germany didn’t at any stage ‘declare war’. No argument that it was a lot of provocation though, and war was inevitable, but the initial beligerants were Britain and France in ‘defence’ of Poland. And a poor defence that was. Poland got a rotten deal.

Read the other day that BM597 is one of five airworthy Spitfires left in this country.

That’s an improvement on the article in the Mail’s You Sunday supplement a few months ago, on the subject of the filming of Foyle’s War. They reckoned the film company had to make replica Spitfires because there was only one left and that was in the RAF Museum…… :rolleyes:

Surely an apology for anything should be from the original parties….??

So, on the basis that Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin, Mussolini, Tojo and Hitler are dead and gone, I don’t see why anyone of any subsequent generation should apologise for decisions they had nothing to do with.

But we should always remember the fallen from both sides that resulted from these actions from whatever reason at the time.

Everyone that was lost from all sides was someones son or daughter etc.

My Grandfather died as the result of an air-raid in 1943, and my step-son is living with a German girl, but I wouldn’t expect her to apologise to me for what happened to the grandfather I never knew…….that would be insane 😮

BOOOOOOORING! Gähhhhhn…

A silly question but have the Germans ever apologised for bombing Warsaw, Rotterdam London etc……

He did it (on BBC): Willi Schludecker from Cologne. He bombed (accidently) the St.Andrew´s church at Bolem 1942.
http://www.flugzeugforum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=17152

Do you remember Chancellor Willy Brandt kneeling down at some important memorial site during his visit to Poland in the 1970s?

Believe it, or not, but WE ARE SORRY. (We just do not tell it every day.)

Instead of wanting each others to apologize, we should do our best to prevent wars and senseless deaths (- I´m sorry, but I´m not able to express myself better, my english is too worse.)

I think there’s little doubt there will come a time, arguably after the living memories are extinguished, when all parties to this insanity apologise to each other.

So how long should it take before this happens? This would imply that we should start sending out apologies for the period before 1900, and how far back should we go with this? Should I, North European Cave Dweller apologise to a South European Cave Dweller for beating him with a large club and dragging away his favourite female by her hair to my own cave? I personally don’t remember doing this, but I’m sure one of my ancestors has. :rolleyes:

Indeed you can apologise after a fight, but in those cases the fight will generally have ended by common agreement, and not because one has the other by the throat. A war invariably leaves scars that no apology, however well and truly meant, can heal or even lessen. When people apologise, they usually say: ‘let’s forget about it’. That’s the one thing we cannot and should never do. Any war that has ended is now a part of history, and history is what we have to learn from so we don’t have to repeat it.

I think it was the other way around.

Dresden was understandable, but very nearly inexcusable. We had descended into a situation where we had a vast war weapon and nothing ‘sensible’ to use it against.

Moggy

I referenced W G Sebald’s book in your Dresden thread Moggy. He makes the point you (possibly unconsciouly) make that (amongst other things) the war took on an economic dimension. The vast Allied airforces and the absolutely huge industrial might benhind them had to be utilised. It would have been wasteful not to have done so.

And please, before anyone shoots me over this, I’m making the point this was a factor – not the sole driver.

As to apologising – typically when we end a fight we apologise to each other. I think there’s little doubt there will come a time, arguably after the living memories are extinguished, when all parties to this insanity apologise to each other.

yep, a German tourist with a Greek boyfriend.

The Queen is German!

😀

Interesting point Flood – however from memory we asked for an undertaking from the German Ambassador that German forces were to withdraw from Poland. At that point our ultimatum gave a time for the reply and after that a state of war would exist. You could argue that both sides declared war (Germany and England) .

But I recall being told of (or reading about) an incident between a newly captured British prisoner and an English-speaking German soldier where the German demanded to know why Britain had declared war on a country that was thought to be a friend…
Provocation, maybe – but it was Britain and France who declared war on Germany for their invasion of Poland, not the other way around.

Flood

Sorry Kev – I forget but who actually declared war on whom first?;)

Flood

Who invaded someone’s country first??

It was in one of the rags yesterday (or Monday), too. Utter nonsense!

Apologise? Ask ’em who started the bl**dy war in the first place!

Regards,

kev35

Sorry Kev – I forget but who actually declared war on whom first?;)

Flood

No apologies.

They just didn’t had to start the war, eh!