Glasgow Airport Attack Man Dies In Hospital

Disagreement over religion is one of the main causes of war along with politics and human greed.

In my most humble opinion, the cause of this situation i.e the war on terror, is religion. Over the past few months I have developed a strong atheist standpoint. Below is a quote which struck a chord with me:

“Is it not enough to marvel at the beauty of the garden without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it?”

Religion causes so much trouble, granted if people take comfort and solace from it then great, but when it gets to the point where people disagree to the extent of mass murder, surely it should ring alarm bells….

Just my thoughts….

Dean

People you are getting Me wrong, Im not here to guestion your body-feast, I just wanted to know that Is it truth what I first thougth, that you feel happy after death of someone, that only attempted terrorist action.

I just stated my own feelings as I dont belive in death-penalty nor I ever, ever ever feel glad of anyone’s death. Thougth Im not christian, I still believe that making such judgemts that allows us to have those feelings are beyond us small minded humans.
I dont wish for flame figth over this matter, So spare your post if you are attempting to prove my belives wron…They are lot stronger than to be bended by some internet discussion. Im not trying to judge or condemn your obinons, just presenting my bit different one. Like I say, you can have your kicks from anything you want;)

In this country commiting an act of terrorism is illegal. I’m fairly sure I speak for the rest of the people on this forum that we get no kicks from the death of this person, we are just glad that he is not going to be able to make another (possibly more successful) attempt to take as many innocent lives as possible. From that point of view any right minded person would be gald he’s gone.

‘Kin A!

Glasgow Airport Terrorist

I have been to this airport and used the facilities and indeed used that exact door that was wrecked.

I have many many friends, workmates and customers that had used that very door only a matter of minutes before the attack or whom were waiting to arrive via aircraft or indeed were just arriving at the airport when this happend. Non of the people I know were hurt in the attack but I for one wish this terrorist the happiest time of his life (or should that be afterlife) in HELL:diablo:

And my reason for this is not just that he was a terrorist this I could understand a bit better as they have a cause which normally comes from a type of brainwashing used on the weak and vunrable.

This was not the case with these men. They were educated DOCTORS whom have taken the oath to SAVE lives not TAKE them and for this they should burn in hell for eternity.

I cannot and will not see the views any differently as these men were far beyond the normal type of garden variety terrorist.

Am I glad he is dead yes and no. Yes because we dont need to spend any more money on his security etc and no because he didnt get to meet any of his intended victims family in BARR L.

You seriously misread my meaning…😮

Rather my point was a cynical one.

Then you should have noted, and hopefully appreciated, my subtle hint of sarcasm.

That the West is bound (and limited) by rules that their antagonists do not abide by.

Even more so: the West is defined by rules that their (or our) antagonists do not abide by. When fighting the savages, don’t do like the savages. If you do, there’s no reason to fight them anymore.

The West has to fight with the modern equivilent of Marquess of Queensberry rules, while the radicals seem see nothing wrong with bombing innocent people doing their daily business and beheading captives.

And thankfully so! I’m proud of having double standards in this case. Considering myself to be on the good side in The War Against Terrorists, i’m both proud and thankful that the people on my side don’t do random or dogmatic-religion-inspired atrocities. We’re the good guys, and being the good guys means that we don’t abide to the same moral standards as the bad guys. Sure, it may hamper our short-term effectiveness in the tactical scenarios, but too many Abu Ghraib-excesses will only give the bad guys an extra excuse for recruitment, and will damage our cause on a strategical level (apologies for dragging this off-topic; unless people want me to emphasise i’m not part of the cheering squad over the corpse of the wannabe-terrorist).

At the end of the day freedom is the strength of the west and (to a dergree) why others hate it.

It’s a very, very simplified way of putting things, but you are essentially right as far as i’m concerned.

You hate us because of our freedom!
:diablo:

You seriously misread my meaning…😮

Rather my point was a cynical one. That the West is bound (and limited) by rules that their antagonists do not abide by.

The West has to fight with the modern equivilent of Marquess of Queensberry rules, while the radicals seem see nothing wrong with bombing innocent people doing their daily business and beheading captives.

At the end of the day freedom is the strength of the west and (to a dergree) why others hate it.

It is not our job to judge the terrorist successful or otherwise, that is for god to decide. Our role is to ensure that that judgemental meeting takes place at the earliest possible time and with the absolute minimum loss of innocent life.
Be lucky
David

You know, when that guy kicked this piece of sh*t in the nuts so hard he injured his foot it made me deeply proud of my Scottish roots:D I’m proud to be linked to a country where the men still have what it takes to kick a burning terrorist in the balls, bravo!!:diablo: :dev2:
Just a shame we couldn’t have kept this prick alive and given him 30 or 40 years in a dank cell with a mirror to be reminded of his life choice every day.

That I understand and appreciate. My simple point was that people still have choices in life, and this man died doing something he chose to do, which is why I feel no sympathy for him.

As far as our differeing opinions are concerned, perhaps it may be best to agree to disagree!

Paul

I understand….And I must say it is rare occasion that in internet-forum depates, the argument can lead into such conclusion:)

But in the otherside…

Look, the answer to your question is that our Finnish friend is (a) very young, (b) of the Marxist persuasion, and (c) an idealist. He might be other things too, such as naive, contrary, a habitual troll-er of web forums…

Well I am a young man, as clever ones migth have checked on my profile:p (wich naturally means that Im not yet reach the cynical point wich would have made me lost my idealism:D 😀 )
Also, Im pretty red in what comes to my political believes, something that 22 years of living in poverty has firmly stucked in my mind…And perhaps in one or three occasions I migth have been bit provocative, tougth not yet trollish in my choices of words.:D 😀

But then Again, I have allready said that not any terrorist attack would propaply change my attitudes agains the current western way of dealing the terrorism proplem. Nor it would change my attitude to respect life in all matters. Im no judge, and I doupt anyone here is, so I suspect that we leave judging to the ones that our societies have chosen for the task. Didn’t the first marxist said something about the ones with no sins shall throw the first stone??:diablo:

Paul wrote:

..The more you speak on this subject, the more I wonder how you can not comprehend the fact that there are some rather nasty people in this world who want others, including you and me, dead. Why do you want to defend them?

Without wishing to be patronising, I’ve read through this thread so far sighing impatiently. Look, the answer to your question is that our Finnish friend is (a) very young, (b) of the Marxist persuasion, and (c) an idealist. He might be other things too, such as naive, contrary, a habitual troll-er of web forums…
Finland is a large country with a tiny population: why would Islamist loonies bother to target it? I’ve been there, and Helsinki airport is the nicest, cleanest, most comfortable airport ever – probably fairly safe from terrorist attack. Until some contemptible towlehead decides it’s an easy target compared with Heathrow or O’Hare, and never mind the peaceloving Finns… They have, by Gollevainen’s admission, the same percentage of Muslims as the rest of too-tolerant Europe (what the hell are we DOING allowing in all these people who despise our values) so it might be only a matter of time before one of them takes offence and decides to blow up a few innocent bystanders. Maybe our liberal Finnish friend will change his tune then – but I won’t hold my breath.
Yours somewhat impatiently, hps
ps I too am quietly satisfied at the death of the Scottish bomber.

You hate us because of our freedom!
:diablo:

Beat me too it. 😀

The ones that advocates the fundamentalism knows exatly how the minds of the “lost” ones works and exploid it to their goal.

That I understand and appreciate. My simple point was that people still have choices in life, and this man died doing something he chose to do, which is why I feel no sympathy for him.

As far as our differeing opinions are concerned, perhaps it may be best to agree to disagree! 🙂

Paul

Well Im not claiming that every muslim young man is potential terrorist. Only that the porpotion of socially unfortunate ones is increasing faster that its rising in among the orginal population.

I know personally what its like to live the life of someone that has been lost its grip of the rest of the society. In that condition, its suprising to found out how things that for normal person seems like maddnes and insanity come down as appealing choice. Its hard to understand if you live “happy” or normal life, but it doesent give one an excuse to ignore the fact that there is a proplem.
The ones that advocates the fundamentalism knows exatly how the minds of the “lost” ones works and exploid it to their goal. It works under same mechanism in the west as it works in the palestinian refugee camps.

I’m not saying that I know a medication to the proplem, Only that I know where we should start looking for the answer. Proplem is that the modern western society has not been able to work its own societies class based proplems, not to mention its immigrant ones.

So you feel that you know exactly what is the situation in today’s immigrant young men’s life and yet you think you can actually make such claims? One of the biggest thing that we in can do, if we want to make stop to these attacs is to get rid of the masses that are lured by the call of the mullah’s. If muslim back-ground youth wouldn’t be doomed to live the life of seccond-class citicens here in the europe, lot things would be better. We cannot just feed dirt to then and then feel shocked when someone cracks. These lost generations are like gift from the allah to the fundamentalist seeking fresh blood to their agendas.
We propaply can never get rid of the actual master minds of these attacks, but we have rather good change to intervene into the ones that make the actual attacks….if we would just focus on the actuall issues, rather than boast with chauvinist rigth-winger attitudes:mad:

It has nothing to do with understanding the situation in today’s immigrant young man’s life. The key word here you don’t seem to comprehend for some bizarre reason is choice. A very simple word and concept that every single person has. The man in question died as a direct result of something he chose as an intelligent, thinking Human being to do.

As far as Muslim youths being doomed to live as second class citizens are concerned, may I suggest you visit my home city of Bradford. A great number of Muslim youths in this city make the choice (note the use of the ‘c’ word again) to live the way they do. That is a simple, unequivocal fact. Bradford is a city steeped in history of racial inicdents and riots, and as a result of this, attempts have been made to fully integrate these people into society. Unfortunately, many have chosen not to.

Please, if you have a wonderful plan to sort this whole mess out, myself, the other 750,000 people who live here, and probably the rest of the world would love to hear it.

Paul

What on Earth are you talking about? That young Arab wasted his OWN future. He had a choice, as does every person on this planet. Personally I choose not to drive burning vehicles into packed airport terminals with the intent to kill as many people as possible. Kafeel Ahmed, however, decided otherwise.

So you feel that you know exactly what is the situation in today’s immigrant young men’s life and yet you think you can actually make such claims? One of the biggest thing that we in can do, if we want to make stop to these attacs is to get rid of the masses that are lured by the call of the mullah’s. If muslim back-ground youth wouldn’t be doomed to live the life of seccond-class citicens here in the europe, lot things would be better. We cannot just feed dirt to then and then feel shocked when someone cracks. These lost generations are like gift from the allah to the fundamentalist seeking fresh blood to their agendas.
We propaply can never get rid of the actual master minds of these attacks, but we have rather good change to intervene into the ones that make the actual attacks….if we would just focus on the actuall issues, rather than boast with chauvinist rigth-winger attitudes:mad:

Why do you want to defend them? Before you say you’re not defending them, that’s actually exactly what you’re doing.

Understand your enemy.
You cannot figth them if you dont know what is going on there where the proplem roots. Thats the biggest mistake that we in the west have and still are collectively doing. We just see the attacks and retaliate to them with hardest and stiffest possiple way…that creates the roots for next round and the circle is completed.

The thing Im defending is everyones rigth for living and immunity to be judged by the ones that are not fitted for the one. Mengle that with the fact that Im advocating the use of brains in defeating the terrorist rather than blindless muslce…to simple minds, that migth seem like im defending the terrorist, but dont worry, Im getting used to hear that sort of things:p

Well word “celebrate” is (i agree) bit provocative but it contains the idea that you and others expressed that you were happy after this person died.

And if you go on for the moralisation that you believe that that sort of guy has not rigth to exist, do you have rigth to exist if you think that someone else doesent has the rigth? Now, some young arab with wasted future thinks that you are evil and you dont have rigth to exist when you claim that their hero didnt have the rigth to exist….catch the pattern?
What about the guy, when he thougth that the people he was attempting to kill didnt have rigth to exist?

That is what Im trying to manifest in here, we cannot lower ourselves to “their” morale standards, or otherwise we will not ever brake the circle of violence.

What on Earth are you talking about? That young Arab wasted his OWN future. He had a choice, as does every person on this planet. Personally I choose not to drive burning vehicles into packed airport terminals with the intent to kill as many people as possible. Kafeel Ahmed, however, decided otherwise.

I’m not ‘happy’ he died. His death brings me no joy whatsoever, although I do whole heartedly feel he deserved it, and thus I feel no sadness at his passing.

The more you speak on this subject, the more I wonder how you can not comprehend the fact that there are some rather nasty people in this world who want others, including you and me, dead. Why do you want to defend them? Before you say you’re not defending them, that’s actually exactly what you’re doing.

This, with the greatest respect, is compassion to the point of stupidity.

Paul

Well word “celebrate” is (i agree) bit provocative but it contains the idea that you and others expressed that you were happy after this person died.

And if you go on for the moralisation that you believe that that sort of guy has not rigth to exist, do you have rigth to exist if you think that someone else doesent has the rigth? Now, some young arab with wasted future thinks that you are evil and you dont have rigth to exist when you claim that their hero didnt have the rigth to exist….catch the pattern?
What about the guy, when he thougth that the people he was attempting to kill didnt have rigth to exist?

That is what Im trying to manifest in here, we cannot lower ourselves to “their” morale standards, or otherwise we will not ever brake the circle of violence.

And to PMN, I have never said that I feel sorry for the guy or sympathy over his bad condition. Only that I find it most disguting feature in human minds to celebrate a death of one of our owns. The “enemy” will think exactly this way and If we cannot be above that, what is the difference then?

The difference is you and I are not setting out with the full intent to kill other people. Can you not see that?

As for the subject of celebration, as Allen said, who’s celebrating? If a Human being makes a deliberate attempt to take other Human lives, a specific, planned and calculated attempt, I’m sorry but I don’t believe that person has much of a right to exist. I’m not celebrating, but I’m glad there’s one less person on this planet with the capability to do such a thing. If you think otherwise, that’s your choice. I think you need to re-analyse this entire thread if you think people are ‘celebrating’. That isn’t the case.

Paul

[B]The West is bound by it’s liberal (I’m using the word in its true sense, not necessarily politically) morals, laws and values.
Our police and governments are limited by laws in their efforts to protect us.

You hate us because of our freedom!
:diablo: