Glen Miller Wasn't Killed By RAF Lancasters?

This should be interesting – ANOTHER group is raising funds to look for Miller’s airplane, and they have decided to exclude TIGHAR: https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20190525/sarasota-group-raising-money-to-find-glenn-millers-final-resting-place

“D’Angelo said he thought about joining forces with the TIGHAR group but was advised not to by James Delgado, the man who would lead the team conducting the search on behalf of the Midway Foundation.”

It will be interesting to see how TIGHAR responds to this direct challenge to what it regards as its sole authority over all things historical aviation.

If he really saw the star and bar I’d be surprised…fabric and paint last only so long in salt water.

Did I read somewhere that the Fisherman when he pulled up the wreckage of an aircraft, say that there was a red trim around the star and bar? I could be imagining things? at least My imaginings are free of charge.
Ian

Hold on to your wallets, mates – TIGHAR IS COMING BACK TO ENGLAND! Hot off the press from the latest newsletter, the conclusion of a longgggg story about its Glenn Miller search to date:

The English Channel is a difficult environment littered with centuries of wrecks, but it is not on the far side of the world and the target area is fairly well defined. The cost of a comprehensive sonar and ROV search for the fisherman’s wreck would probably run in the neighborhood of $30,000. (By comparison, similar searches for the Earhart aircraft cost in the millions.) The historical benefit of solving the mystery of Glenn Miller’s death is incalculable.

The fisherman’s tale, however flawed, is the best – indeed, the only – known clue to the whereabouts of whatever remains of Norseman 44-70285. A search for the wreckage, however difficult, is the only way to know whether it can be located. TIGHAR will, therefore, proceed to the search phase of the Glenn Miller Project. We’ll need to identify the ship to be chartered, the technology to be deployed, the personnel, the timing, the logistics, and the cost of a search operation. Your continued support of the Glenn Miller Project will be crucial.”

A few things to note:

TIGHAR is upping its game a bit – people who donated to the December 2018 “research” trip have actually received the promised video, Gillespie recently announced. I’m sorry, I mean the “mini-documentary.” I’m sure the interiors of the many pubs where research was conducted will be interesting to all, as will the exteriors of the closed Coast Guard station that TIGHAR thought was still active.

But at least in this case TIGHAR members actually got what was promised, and in a fairly timely manner. Unlike the Nikumaroro VIII Expedition video, which people also paid for. Four years on, we’re STILL waiting for that one …

No serial number … thin but robust provenance? 🙂

But that’s not going to do TIGHAR much good, if Miller’s trombone now resides with the Glenn Miller Birthplace Society. But we’ll just ignore that inconvenient fact …

Blimey! Apparently, trombones do have serial numbers!

Do trombones have serial numbers?

Guess a smoking trombone is out of the equation…

https://rosevillebigband.org/personnel/guestsubs/MillerTrombone.html

D1566, as I understand UK law regarding crashed aircraft, the alleged Glenn Miller crash site would indeed be regarded as a war grave. Which would seem to preclude recovering anything for actual examination unless there was a very, very good reason to do so. I don’t think TIGHAR wanting to raise it would rise to that level.

Out of interest I had a look online for news of Buccaneers (Fairey or otherwise) being found recently by pipeline survey teams, only thing I found was this;

https://www.foxnews.com/science/wrec…-the-north-sea

and

https://www.nord-stream2.com/media/d…2017-06-28.pdf

Both well known – are there any other recent discoveries?

Which raises another question; if the C-64 was found, it would be a war grave thus immune from disturbance, by law?

hi,
if a oyster bed is in the vicinity, a string of them could lead the way…

Has anyone checked track 29?

Er, ok, thanks Sid.

Don’t call us … … we’ll be in touch.

As a serious and dedicated observer of the ‘human condition’ I’ve paused over this matter for some considerable time but, cannot now rein in my impulse to comment. Wellington 285 makes a valuable observation that perhaps will point the more obstinately devoted researcher in the direction of the truth.

My friend Sid who, when he is not tending his allotment, is a professional psychic, said that the suggestion that Mr. Miller, a band leader famous for, among other compositions, The Chattanooga Choo Choo collided, in his aeroplane with the sea just off Portland Bill, has much merit. Sid said that in keeping with many reported sightings of not only the Marie Celeste but also the Flying Dutchman sailing ships just off the Bill, that this area is like Area 51 a hotbed of psychic phenomena and worthy therefore of continued investigation.

It is Sid’s theory that Mr. Miller’s aircraft was drawn – as the moth to the flame – to the locality of Portland by irresistible psychic influences. Sid says that he is prepared to organise and lead a discovery mission in what he believes will be a completely successful attempt to find Mr. Miller’s final resting place.

This will require some quite large funding. Sid is aware the Moderators frown on attempts to solicit funds thru’ these forums unless of course ir is for something very worthwhile such as the Moderators Retirement Homes Scheme or, other Moderator charitable causes.

So, to deflect unworthy criticism, may I suggest that a new non partisan charity named on the basis of some marine activity such as angling eg. “Sharks Bite” or the small fish that attaches itself to the shark for a free ride; Suckers Rule” or, anything of similar description would suffice. Minimum donation; whatever you can uncomfortably afford. For all who contribute there will be a free gift package comprising Portland seaweed – for weather forecasting – bottled Portland water to be used during various incantations and a WW2 map of the area (synthetic) and aged by immersion in Portland seawater.

Sid says that this could be the start of a whole new adventure investigating the altogether too sudden and perhaps psychic removal of Mr. Miller.

I wasn’t accusing TIGHAR, or anybody else, of ‘planting’ evidence…

…rather that any actual evidence found will never be accepted by the conspiracy theorists as anything other than proof that the ‘conspiracy’ is extremely well thought-out (with planted evidence), involves just about everybody, and goes ‘right to the top’!

It will also ‘prove’ that the conspiracy theorist is much smarter than the rest of us…..not to be taken-in by it!

Not sure TIGHAR has ever ‘planted’ anything, but who knows? And a book that makes a convincing case that Miller [‘s aircraft] went down in the Channel would be about as useful as a book that tells you the Tower of London is in London!! Well duh – where else did the aircraft crash and no-one noticed?

Do trombones have serial numbers?

As was said above: ‘there is a new book that makes a very convincing case that Miller went down in the Channel’…

…my response to that would be: ‘is there any evidence whatsoever that he didn’t’?

And if there isn’t any evidence then we are dealing with unfounded speculation and conspiracy theories; cover-ups over his supposed death in a Paris brothel and other such nonsense!

And no evidence is ever going to satisfy the people supporting these nonsensical theories…

…trombones, engines or complete aircraft can be ‘planted’ in the Channel you see!

I suppose the enduring appeal of any mystery is knowing exactly what happened, and knowing exactly where it happened may help in discovering that, but the ultimate answer is going to require a lot more questions being asked and answered.

So let’s say that TIGHAR do find the engine and other wreckage from Glenn Miller’s aircraft, what then?

How will that tell us what happened? And you can forget the fisherman’s tale of virtually complete aircraft being pulled from the sea (in my opinion)!

How will you know how the Norseman came to be there: was it bad weather, icing, engine failure, fuel starvation, navigational error, pilot error, pilot incapacitation, instrument failure, structural failure, control restriction, disorientation, enemy action, friendly-fire, sabotage, murder or murder-suicide?

What ‘smoking gun’ piece of wreckage is going to tell you that…..even if you do find the wreck?

I’ll be generous and say, TIGHAR is going to find the correct style of engine. It will have managed to unearth the records with said aircraft’s serial numbers and other identifying marks. The engine will be recovered, examined, and verified by independent experts as from the aircraft that carried Glenn Miller.

At the end of the day … So What?

There is already a new book out that makes a very convincing case that Miller went down in the Channel. We know from prior statements by Gillespie that he thinks little of efforts to find and photograph WWII shipwrecks, saying, “What’s the point in finding and photographing them?” Can’t the same thing be said about this effort?

At the end of the day, what is Gillespie’s purpose in doing this? Finding the airplane isn’t going to solve the mystery of what happened.