steve rowell
January 22, 2009 at 12:28 am

Go on give the Mrs a good slappin'…it's ok

A Melbourne Islamic cleric has told his male followers they can force their wives to have sex and hit them if they are disobedient.

Coburg’s self-styled cleric Samir Abu Hamza said despite Australian rape laws it was impossible for a man to rape his wife even if she refused to have sex with him.

In a recorded lecture entitled “The Keys to a Successful Marriage”, delivered to his male worshippers but now broadcast on the internet and viewed by several thousand people, Mr Hamza said Islamic law allowed men to hit their wives as a last resort, but they were not to make them bleed or become bruised.

He said under Islamic law, as described in a koranic verse, it was a man’s right to demand sex from his wife whenever he felt like it.

“If the husband was to ask her for a sexual relationship and she is preparing the bread on the stove she must leave it and come and respond to her husband, she must respond,” Mr Hamza told his male followers on the video sermon.

He then mocked Australia’s criminal laws, which required consent for sex to be lawful.

“In this country if the husband wants to sleep with his wife and she does not want to and she hasn’t got a sickness or whatever, there is nothing wrong with her she just does not feel like it, and he ends up sleeping with her by force . . . it is known to be as rape,” Mr Hamza said. “Amazing, how can a person rape his wife?”

In the contradictory sermon, delivered in Melbourne or Sydney about 2003 but posted late last year, Mr Hamza initially instructs his listeners “don’t hit your wife”.

But he goes on to say exactly how men should hit their wives, according to his interpretation of Islamic teachings.

He said Islam cursed “those people who hit the animal on the face, (but) what about hitting your wife?”

“First of all advise them,” he said. “You beat them . . . but this is the last resort.

“After you have advised them (not to be disobedient) for a long, long time then you smack them, you beat them and, please, brothers, calm down, the beating the Mohammed showed is like the toothbrush that you use to brush your teeth.

“You are not allowed to bruise them, you are not allowed to make them bleed.”

Mr Hamza told his followers not to get carried away and become too physical with the beatings.

“This is just to shape them up, shape up woman – that is about it,” he said.

“You don’t go and grab a broomstick and say that is what Allah has said,” Mr Hamza said to sporadic laughter from his flock.

Mr Hamza runs the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia on Sydney Rd, Coburg, which offers spiritual advice, prayer facilities and boxing, karate and gym classes for Muslims.

Despite concerns about his preaching being raised by female members of the Islamic community, Mr Hamza yesterday stood by his comments and blamed controversy over them on a hidden Zionist agenda run by the media.

Questioned about his teachings, Mr Hamza said a wife was allowed to be hit on the hand or leg, but “of course, not on the head”.

He said if a Muslim wife disobeyed her husband, such as continuing to go out when requested not to, she was able to be subjected to moderate physical punishment.

Mr Hamza also reiterated his belief that women should submit to sex when husbands required it.

Asked whether it was impossible for a man to rape his wife under Islamic law, Mr Hamza said either male or female partners should be able to demand and receive sex.

Although he said he could not recall exactly when he gave the lecture, Mr Hamza said it was to followers in Sydney several years ago and had only been posted on the internet in recent months.

He said he would not make further comment on it.

“Don’t call me, don’t bother me and please don’t call me ever again,” he said.

Islamic Women’s Welfare Council of Victoria executive director Joumanah El Matrah said Hamza’s interpretation was bigoted.

“Even orthodox practitioners and imams do not consider any form of family violence acceptable,” she said.

Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Sherene Hassan said Islam did not condone domestic violence.

“The Prophet Mohammed stated ‘The best of you is he who is kindest to his wife’,” Ms Hassan said.

“The ICV has made a commitment to address this issue by organising a series of workshops early this year where imams and Muslim women will be invited to discuss topics such as these.”

Source: The Herald Sun

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By: old shape - 26th January 2009 at 00:20

What spectacular irony. You talk about extremists and then write the above sentence. :rolleyes:

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What?
But my extremes are based on decency. If you claim theirs are, then that’s your opinion. It’s wrong, but yours.

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By: old shape - 26th January 2009 at 00:06

Make your mind up, old shape.:cool:

What?
You think that a child rapist is the same sin as being allegedly unfaithful?
You cannot possibly suggest that I am mixing my own opinions based on those two gems of wisdom.

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By: Grey Area - 25th January 2009 at 09:08

Any child killer/child rapist should be killed in Public with live TV for those that can’t get to the event.

I must find the link to the Video of a young girl being stoned to death….Nations that uphold that should be nuked until their land is turned to molten glass, and then we give them some real shock and awe on the 2nd day.

Make your mind up, old shape.:cool:

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By: PMN - 25th January 2009 at 08:38

Any child killer/child rapist should be killed in Public with live TV for those that can’t get to the event.

Fair enough that we all have our own views on religion, I just don’t really get how people can put all religious type people in the same category. Believe or not, I don’t go to church or read the bible and i’m actually not a literalist and think the old testament is most likely to be fake… God is there for me when I need to turn to him to help me through what have been rough patches in my life and if it wasn’t for God, I probably would have done something stupid, I never forcify my views on God on anyone else, and respectfully, I don’t think that anybody really should. If you have a belief in any God, then great – go for it, but if you don’t, then thats fine.

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By: old shape - 23rd January 2009 at 13:42

So just because I believe in God, i’m a loony? When in fact, praying to God to get things off my chest actually has helped me alot in the past!

Your extreme leaders are the Looneys. Read the post.
I’m glad that you seek something non personal to get things off your chest. Some turn to beer, some even pay the scheisters in the Psychology con-game, some have a trusted friend, or even – a rarity I know – ones spouse/soulmate.
Pray to God all you like, but “The seniors” in your club or anyone that tells me I should join their Church/that I am a sinner/that I am wrong etc. will get the distinguished bile of truth aimed back at them.
Our western laws are based on the claimed scribblings from the 10 stones, and some of them are correct. But, mitigating circumstances can allow diversions on all of them. “Thou shan’t kill” for example. Well, I’m in the Defence lark, my stuff kills bad guys – the better it works, the more bang for the buck, the more people die (Actually less because carpet bombing is now out of fashion and we aim for a square meter with a $300,000 smart).
Or, if anyone killed my wife or kids, they shall die at my hand and I would be extremely proud of it. The “They need pity not scorn” brigade have got something very mixed up.
Any child killer/child rapist should be killed in Public with live TV for those that can’t get to the event. It would be a better world, and even you know it.

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By: Student Pilot - 23rd January 2009 at 09:36

Student Pilots a great bloke and I agree with everything he’s got to say on this thread 😉

Thanks one eleven fella, we should stick togeather. 😀

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By: Pondskater - 23rd January 2009 at 01:18

Is it just me that thinks this is just a contrived story designed to create religious tension, specifically anti Islamic?

After all, is is not that long ago since rape within marriage was legal in the UK. It was 17 years ago since a judgement made it illegal in common law – later included in the 1994 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act. For full background see here.

So why such a fuss now about something this man said so long ago?

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By: Student Pilot - 22nd January 2009 at 22:25

Religious believers. Argue over who has the best imaginary friend

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By: PMN - 22nd January 2009 at 22:19

So just because I believe in God, i’m a loony? When in fact, praying to God to get things off my chest actually has helped me alot in the past!

Don’t take things to heart, Robbie. Old Shape is only expressing his opinion, which we’re all allowed to do. At least most of the time. 🙂

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By: heslop01 - 22nd January 2009 at 22:07

Religious believers. Argue over who has the best imaginary friend and pontificate right versus wrong when in fact they are all 100% wrong. Parasitic scum, the lot of them. From the Arch of Cant to the looney side of Islam to the perhaps even more looney idiots on the God Squad channels from the USA.

So just because I believe in God, i’m a loony? When in fact, praying to God to get things off my chest actually has helped me alot in the past!

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