Goraszka 7 06 2008

Here’s humble!

One has the rwwr roundels on the wing, and wrrw on the fuselage though…

To settle things, do you have pictures of Stefan Stec’ plane when flying for the Austro-Hungarian Empire? After all, it’s his personal marking which became adopted as the Polish roundel.

I don’t think I’ve even seen a ‘modern’ roundel on a picture of a pre-WW2 aircraft either. I’d be most humble if you could show me one.

Attached are some of the most widely publicised photos of pre-WW2 aircraft. If you have not seen these, I wonder how you can claim to have any knowledge at all of markings on Polish Air Force aircraft from the period.

Interestingly, Polish Air Force was officially made an independent service when it was resurrected in France in 1939/1940 (it had been a branch of the land forces until the war) and Polish aircraft in France in 1940 were usually marked with the Polish square that featured a white field at top left – exactly as in the ‘correct’ style of today.

I stand corrected on the origins of the roundel change, but it still means the CSS-13 and Jak-18 have their roundels reversed. I have never seen a picture of a ‘modern’ roundel on a post-WW2/pre-1993 aircraft.

Even more so, I don’t think I’ve even seen a ‘modern’ roundel on a picture of a pre-WW2 aircraft either. I’d be most humble if you could show me one.

You need a Roundel Police in Poland (wouldn’t that be Squardrel Police?), and quickly! Only the TS-8 has got the correct checquerboard:
rw
wr
The CSS-13 and the Jak-18 have the ‘negative’ which is only used since 1995. Changed in a fit of anti-Communist hysteria I believe, even though the original sequence had been in use before 1939 just as well.

Arthur, you seem to be wrong on both counts. I am not sure what is the meaning of your reference to ‘anti-communist hysteria’, but the change of 1993 was dictated by hyper-correct heraldics, not politics. Polish flag is white at the top and red at bottom, so it was believed that the AF insignia should ‘start’ (left side) with the same colour layout. Before 1939 and during wartime I don’t think anyone was bothered with ‘correct’ layout and if you check old photographs you will find that both styles (white at top left or red at top left) were used. Interestingly, Polish Air Force was officially made an independent service when it was resurrected in France in 1939/1940 (it had been a branch of the land forces until the war) and Polish aircraft in France in 1940 were usually marked with the Polish square that featured a white field at top left – exactly as in the ‘correct’ style of today.

Ummmm… is that a BBMF Spitfire? In Poland? 🙂

Yes. And yes.

You need a Roundel Police in Poland (wouldn’t that be Squardrel Police?), and quickly! Only the TS-8 has got the correct checquerboard:
rw
wr

The CSS-13 and the Jak-18 have the ‘negative’ which is only used since 1995. Changed in a fit of anti-Communist hysteria I believe, even though the original sequence had been in use before 1939 just as well.

Ummmm… is that a BBMF Spitfire? In Poland? 🙂

Lovely pictures
The R11 glider…beautiful finish… looks real fun to fly:D

cheers baz

Thank you for sharing them with us. It’s nice to see some less common types on display.

Robert Kowalik & Extra-300L

Jerzy Makula & MDM-1 Fox Solo

Jak-52TD

Jurgis Kairys & Su-26

Let L-410 UVP-E 15 Turbolet

Mi-14PŁ

PZL-130TC-1 Orlik

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Michal

Bo-105

R-11 Cimbora

CSS-13 – licence built Po-2

Piper J-3 Cub

Jak-18

PZL-101A Gawron

PZL-104 Wilga 80

PBY-5A Catalina

Me-109G6 – only static

Douglas C-47 Dakota

An-2

TS-8 Bies – only static, but airworthy

Bo-105S