Got a Jaguar GR3 For Sale?

Please don’t quote the entirety of the post you are answering when it is directly above anyway 🙂 Moggy

Ooops sorry got carried away:o

Unbelievable!!

I’m sure that the Everetts will be rubbing their hands in glee

What about the Jags that were stored at Cosford? Are they still ‘reserve’ or have they moved on?

Surely something from that lot would suffice?

Kind Regards,
Scotty

9. Estimated Value of Requirement: Category J1: 20K – 40K GBP

So the cost of buying one back is more than the total income achieved by selling off all those at St Athan a couple of years back…….

BRILLIANT !!!

Can the numties within the MOD get any worse……:mad:

in a word,

Yes

They could always do a swap with the Indian Air Force using another of the BBMF airframes…..

(I’ll get me coat)

Not the first time that the MoD will be spending out alot more than what they sold valuable assets for.
I know that they have just spent a fortune og getting a Jag canopy back.
The sad thing is that not only are we paying for this as tax payers, but we are also paying for whole departments and staff whos sole purpose is to control disposals and requisitions on behalf of the RAF.

Now dont quote me on this but ….

The airframes (mostly Jaguars, but also JP’s and some Tornados) used by the Technician Training School at Cosford are “owned and maintained” by Serco, who operate the school on behalf of the MOD for training RAF and foreign students. Serco are paid an annual fee to provide this service for a fixed number of airframes / students per year. This tender from the MOD might just be a request for additional training, which requires the extra Jaguar airframe. Thus Serco can add, at a prorata rate, the extra aircraft and manpower to service it.
The information regarding ownership / maintenance came direct from our guide at last years base visit.

Bizarre or what?

Well, we have some Jaguars here (at least 5) at the Defence College of Aeronautical Engineering (Cranwell) but our ac are maintained and ground run (for EngO training) by RAF personnel not SERCO. We recently took delivery of 2 “Raspberry Ripple” Jags from Boscombe. Last time I was at Cosford they seemed to have shedloads of Jags there but, of course, they are under a contract and our airframes are not. Hmm, interesting really since DCAE Cosford is our HQ! There is, of course, a surge in training at present due to the success of the 2008-2009 RAF recruiting scheme which now, of course, is being turned right down due to shortage of, well, money really! Things will get even more interesting when/if (choose option carefully depending on pension security) the Metrix Consortium takes over all military technical training in 2011 and moves us all to MOD St Athan by 2015. As for me, well I’m leaving the RAF within the next 2 months and I’ll let you make your own mind up as to whether I’m happy or sad to be doing so.

Mmm, wonder if this is a tender where they already know where the airframe is coming from, but it has to go out to tender fue to competition rules – after all, who has a taxiable Jaguar lying around?

They just took two jags from Cosford and put them on the bl**dy ranges 😡

from http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk

Now dont quote me on this but ….

The airframes …. are “owned and maintained” by Serco, who operate the school on behalf of the MOD for training RAF and foreign students. Serco are paid an annual fee to provide this service for a fixed number of airframes / students per year.

oops, I’ve just quoted you on that.. sorry!

The thing is, I don’t quite understand the economics of Serco – or anyone -owning ex-military assets then leasing / selling them back to the MOD – when the MOD owned them in the first place. Maybe I’m just being simplistic, but it all seems a bit “Alice in Wonderland”..

A private company which must show a profit willl surely always take more taxpayers money to buy a service off than it would cost for that service to be provided internally?

This is not a political point, just a practical one. Am I missing something here?

Looks like poor MOD management wating my taxes again.

If that was the case then why is the MOD tendering for an additional airframe? If they were wanting additional training then why not state that in the tender?

This strikes me as bizarre, surely SERCO should be putting out the tender…?

Understood, CADman. Thanks for clarifying!

Of course, this doesn’t explain the 40k purchase of a Jag airframe as per original post.

oh id imagine James Everett has a couple lying about… :diablo:

I’d so love to have a Jag cockpit. Preferably a two seater.

TonyT
The two Jag’s move to the Pembey range are old GR1 and would not be suitable for modern Tech training needs

daveF86
Yes !!!!

Nasiho966
The Everett Jag’s are also old GR1 and not what the RAF are looking for

Toddington Ted
That is interesting because I assumed that Serco would have taken charge of the traing airframes at Cranwell as well

Beermat
It is not really a case of Serco “buying” aircraft and “selling” them back. The contract for providing the training package at Cosford would have included the free tranfer of buildings, personal and airframes for a pre-determined priod. The contract would state how many trainees would be expected, if the RAF now wish to increase that number the MOD must issue an addena to the contract requesting the additional resources. Technically a new supplier could bid just for single airframe, but that never happens. There will most likely be clause in the contract about returning buildings and airframes to the RAF when the contract ends.

Nasiho966
The Everett Jag’s are also old GR1 and not what the RAF are looking for

http://www.everettaero.com/jaguar.html

http://www.everettaero.com/jaguarstatic.html

OK Nashio966 I stand corrected thought all the Everett Jag’s came out of St Athan several years ago and they were old GR1

There should be sufficient jags at cosford to rotate about the last 6sqn jags that flew in are only used for TMT training and not for any other activity as far as i know

don’t know how in depth they needed a GR3 for as opposed to a GR1 other than no spares for GR1’s anymore

there was talk whilst i was there on a course of using the jags for line training flight but i think it was deemed too dangerous after all from LTF trainees would p[ossible be going to a fast jet sqn as a linney erm doesn’t make sense to me. I think more likely the cost in fuel as against taxiing a JP