Grooming public figures

Along similar lines to this UKIP MEP http://www.nottinghampost.com/UKIP-MEP-Roger-Helmer-asks-privacy-spotted/story-23119661-detail/story.html

Yes, why go for a hard target when you can dangle a blonde and get an easy target. sell newspapers though.

Agreed Trolly, but that might involve some work and danger for the journo thus unlikely!

With you SNAFU, go find some criminals not a guy trying to get off with a flirting female.

Journo is an ****.
Ex MP is also an **** and unfit to hold any position.
If ex MP has a history, journo’s actions in exposing it may be justifiable, but method is dubious and as previously noted dangerous for society.

Brooks Newmark (I hate people who have two surnames for a name)

Perhaps you should reserve your hatred for the parents; at his christening I doubt he had much say in the matter.

spent his formative years in an all boys school, so probably isn’t that good at communicating with the fairer sex at the best of times.

He has a wife and five children, so seems to have “communicated” quite well.

Honey traps, entrapment, its going on everyday in this country and it has spilled over from the good ole US of A.
Here in the UK we do not have entrapment laws so it is an easy thing to set up.
Look at it this way, you start by finding someone may of buried some aircraft in a far off distant land, you do not tell any one but it could be the truth but also it could be a trap. These things can be set up for financial gain or just to upset the apple cart for a front page story.
There are plenty of chat rooms with police officers portraying themselves as young girls to entice the naughty man to start talking to them with the intention of getting you to meet up and arrest, a good thing or a bad thing? Would the man really try and meet a 14 15 year old in real life? maybe, but in the realms of the internet it is made easy as you are detracted from reality and an easy catch for the police, did men really go for under 16yr olds like it seems to be being played out? I doubt it, the girl would of told him to Eff off for sure, my mum wont buy me a new phone is a common use by the undercover officers to get the guy to say ” oh I will get you one” to me if you put bait out there you will always catch something no matter what it is, cars. mobile phones, women, all can be used as prey. right or wrong? hmmm.
We have seen the tabloids set up pop stars etc with fake drug deals to, whats it prove? nothing.
Brooks Newmark was obviously in that detached part of reality with this journalist who had created an image using another woman’s photograph, this to me was also wrong and the journo should be exposed for what he did.
are ll people are stupid who fall for the tricks? Been enough in the press over the years.

…I saw an article last week about some ex druggy type who had taken to internet vigilantism….he and his junkie mates would film them and give the evidence to police…the ex scag-heads can claim they were ‘turning their lives around’…take their minds off their own immorality for five minutes…

Um, that isn’t how the Daily Mail described them! You’d think they’d have mentioned it…

Brooks Newmark (I hate people who have two surnames for a name).

That reminds me of this earl;y Alexei Sayle:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_8j68WyxOU

To go off on a slight tangent, I saw an article last week about some ex druggy type who had taken to internet vigilantism. By posing as an early-teenage girl, he encouraged men to post indecent messages and then arranged to meet them. When these men would turn up, he and his junkie mates would film them and give the evidence to police. I think this is slightly dangerous, as it took the guy months to goad some of these guys into acting, and I wonder if these guys would have been much of a threat to young girls otherwise. Still, the ex scag-heads can claim they were ‘turning their lives around’, and the proles seem to love a good paedo witch hunt, presumably to take their minds off their own immorality for five minutes.

Brooks Newmark (I hate people who have two surnames for a name) spent his formative years in an all boys school, so probably isn’t that good at communicating with the fairer sex at the best of times.

Very Important job. The country would be in a complete mess without one.

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/parliamentary-secretary-minister-for-civil-society

My apologies – a highly responsible and vital post. I wonder who thought that one up!!

Absolutely, a key figure in any government and no, I’d never heard of the post or person before.

My apologies – a highly responsible and vital post. I wonder who thought that one up!!

This is second reference to him being a member of the government. As far as I am aware he was not.

His “title” was Minister for Civil Society, one of his responsibilities was, wait for it, improving the opportunity and equality of women in politics.

This is second reference to him being a member of the government. As far as I am aware he was not.

Yet you would agree that if a man tried to convince a young teenager to send them a naked ‘selfie’ then that would be abuse, yes? Why should a man, journalist or not, pretending to be a woman, get away with leading another man on in a sexual fashion, MP or not?
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One major difference, someone attempting to influence a naive teenager, wrong, this guy is a supposedly mature , sensible adult with a responsibility to his constituents and the running of the country, do you really want someone so easily influenced making decisions which affect your life?.

I thought MPs had an important job to do. How come they have so much spare time to get involved in muck like this???
Try this in general employment and you’ll get the bullet PDQ rightly so.

Yet another non-story…

Yep, whatever you say Edgar. Move along, nothing to see here…(!)

While i have no sympathy for him it doesn’t sit well with me the way it happened.

Thank you for showing that others don’t have to agree with the likes of the haters (above) – the story was created by that journalist purely to be reported by him for money, there has been no indication that the MP had any previous history in this ‘field’.

It’s easy to point the finger at journalists or papers, but idiot MPs like this guy leave themselves open to blackmail, subversion or “persuasion”, no sympathy whatsoever.

Yet you would agree that if a man tried to convince a young teenager to send them a naked ‘selfie’ then that would be abuse, yes? Why should a man, journalist or not, pretending to be a woman, get away with leading another man on in a sexual fashion, MP or not?

No journalist should be allowed to set up a ‘honey trap’. Report facts by all means but do not create falsehoods.

Totally! Just the facts, as Joe Friday used to say (on Dragnet).

My own belief is that the journalist has made a grave mistake with his so called freedom and may force the government to enact its politically draconian measures. For this we will all pay dearly as no one will be able to hold our masters to account. Beware what you wish for and be ready for any unintended consequences that flow from those decisions.

True. For the sake of a few quid and an unseated Tory MP he has created trouble for the industry which could strengthen the governments hand.

Amen Brother Bob!

Perhaps we should all step back from accusing public figures from being ‘idiots’ and frame our debate in a more open and adult manner. No journalist should be allowed to set up a ‘honey trap’. Report facts by all means but do not create falsehoods. Public figures should be, by now, fully aware of these falsehoods and folly. We are all being constantly reminded of fake websites/phone callers etc. Social media may well become the next prophet of doom.

My own belief is that the journalist has made a grave mistake with his so called freedom and may force the government to enact its politically draconian measures. For this we will all pay dearly as no one will be able to hold our masters to account. Beware what you wish for and be ready for any unintended consequences that flow from those decisions.

Here endeth the lesson according to wokka bob