Grumman Goose I Serials

I knew that but i thought having 4 very similar types to what your looking for in formation might brighten up the day inbetween all the words and info. plenty of that you seem to be getting which is great 😉

Allow me to point out for the newcomers here that the photo shows a stock pre-war USCG-marked Widgeon flying with three modified types. The first has the original “Ranger” engines. Aircraft 2 and 3 have different “flat” engines …the fourth I can’t see that clearly. McKinnon put flat engines on the type as I’m sure many others did as well.

Engine mods have been popular on Widgeons and Gooses for the last 50 years.

They are…but I diidn’t want to mention it. :0

I knew that but i thought having 4 very similar types to what your looking for in formation might brighten up the day inbetween all the words and info. plenty of that you seem to be getting which is great 😉

Grumman Goose I Serials

Hello,

Looks like “1212” was a Widgeon after all.

see this link on Widgeon’s

http://www.john2031.com/photos/grumman/Widgeon/db_2-5-11.pdf

“28673” or “NC28673” looks like it might well have been “1212”.

Thank you for the link with all those great pictures, wonderful stuff.

All for now
Alex

Grumman Goose ID Serials

JRF Goose Folks:

Good day!

Many, many more details of the Duck/Goose Grumman JRF family can be seen at the link below in case it hasn’t been posted yet. Incredible B/W factory pics of how a Grumman aircraft was built, cockpit interiors, wind tunnel models etc. Courtesy Wix/Grumman PR Dpt. A Goose sample is included for now! Via WIX Folks.

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13327

Enjoy the Royal Navy “Martlets” along the way!

Hello,

Just reading the attachments in an earlier post that refers to “1212”.
It is noted as a Widgeon ?
So far I came across the following:
1205 = 42-38340
1206 = 42-38223
1207 = 42-38216
1208 = 42-52997
1209 = 42-38356
1210 = still on FAA site
1211 = 42-38285
1212 = ?
1213 = still on FAA site
1214 = still on FAA site
1218 = 42-38217

So did they have a Goose (HK822 ) AND a Widgeon (1212 )?

Also there is note of a SAAF Lodestar on attachment being “1371”, this was c/n 2069 ZS-AVS/ N672.

And must be of great interest to Bombay followers are the a/c serial numbers together with engine numbers.

All for now
Alex

Yes. ex NC28673

It’s most probably this one:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1317200116/Hi+Pat%2C+you+would+open+that+can+of+worms+wouldn%27t+you.

(Just realised I linked to the wrong post in my earlier comment)

Butler’s Air Arsenal:North America gives it’s history as arriving at 107 MU at Kasfareet, on 25/5/1942, then used by the West Africa Communications Squadron in Sierra Leone, remaining in service until 1945.

He postulates that this was possibly acquired by the BAAC along with the Goose and Fairchild 91.

This was the post with the pic of NC3022/HK822 prior to delivery

http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1317186788/Export+%28-%29+Grumman+G-21+colors-+Anybody+out+there

Grumman Goose I Serials

Hello,

Just reading the attachments in an earlier post that refers to “1212”.
It is noted as a Widgeon ?
So far I came across the following:
1205 = 42-38340
1206 = 42-38223
1207 = 42-38216
1208 = 42-52997
1209 = 42-38356
1210 = still on FAA site
1211 = 42-38285
1212 = ?
1213 = still on FAA site
1214 = still on FAA site
1218 = 42-38217

So did they have a Goose (HK822 ) AND a Widgeon (1212 )?

Also there is note of a SAAF Lodestar on attachment being “1371”, this was c/n 2069 ZS-AVS/ N672.

And must be of great interest to Bombay followers are the a/c serial numbers together with engine numbers.

All for now
Alex

Great photo, but I believe these are Grumman Widgeons.

Cheers,
Richard

They are…but I diidn’t want to mention it. :0

Thought you might like to see these 😉

Great photo, but I believe these are Grumman Widgeons.

Cheers,
Richard

Hello
Re NC3022, I believe this to have been Constructor number “1055”, FAA cert issue date 24/06/42, cancelled 21/08/43. Registered to the BRITISH AMERICAN AMBULANCE CORPS INC . This was I believe MV993.
Alex

No, NC3022 became HK822. Phil Butler sorted out the Goose (Geese?) in his ir Arsenal North America book.

Beaverbrook’s G-AFKJ (cn 1049) was the aircraft that became MV993

Grumman Goose ID Serials

Alex Smart:

Good Day!

The magic of the www! Thank you very much for the info & data on FP472/Buno 37796.

Any chance to obtain a picture while in FP472 scheme? or N3945C??

The pictures of these Grumman aircraft are rare in FAH schemes. There was another model a JFR-6 also c. 1950s that went to FAH! No C/n/Buno is known.

Tks!

Grumman Goose I Serials

Hello FAH619,
Great picture.
Re “B-49”
This would have been
USN BuNo 37796 (c/n B-49) to Royal Navy as FP472. To civil registry as N3945C
Alex

Hello
Re NC3022, I believe this to have been Constructor number “1055”, FAA cert issue date 24/06/42, cancelled 21/08/43. Registered to the BRITISH AMERICAN AMBULANCE CORPS INC . This was I believe MV993.
Alex

Grumman Goose ID Serials

BJ604:

Good day!

At least one of these samples a JRF-5 C/n B-49. Buno Ukn. Found its way S. of the border to the Honduran AF c. 1950s. Poss FAH 110.

The story goes that it was one of the samples allocated to the British Naval Attache at Norfolfk, Va c. 1950s. THis sample still exist today at N121GL.

Included for your research is the factory ID plate of N121GL. Photo via G. Smith.

Hello DaveF68,

“The Air Britain book is wrong on the history of HK822 and MV989.

MV993 was used in the UK by 24 Squadron (and ATA IIRc), HK822 in the Middle East (By the ASR Flight). The former was the ex-UK civilian type (Ex G-AFKJ) presented by Lord Beaverbrook, the latter came from the US as a donation along with the Fairchild 91. (Was ex-NC3022).”

Have I understood you correctly ?
Are you saying that MV993 was the ex UK civilian type (ex G-AFKJ )that was Lord Beaverbrooks and that HK822 later became NC3022 ?
Also you do not explain why MV989 is incorrectly noted in Air Brit as a serial number within a cancelled batch of Seafires ?

In any event the following link would seem to clear up the HK822 v. MV993 problem.

http://www.adf-serials.com.au/goose.htm

Enjoy,

All for now
Alex

Other way round, NC3022 is the aircraft that became HK822 after donation by the BAAC.

MV993 was previously G-AFKJ

Don’t know about MV989, but serials were allocated in error on occasion.

Thought you might like to see these 😉

Grumman Goose I Serials

Hello DaveF68,

“The Air Britain book is wrong on the history of HK822 and MV989.

MV993 was used in the UK by 24 Squadron (and ATA IIRc), HK822 in the Middle East (By the ASR Flight). The former was the ex-UK civilian type (Ex G-AFKJ) presented by Lord Beaverbrook, the latter came from the US as a donation along with the Fairchild 91. (Was ex-NC3022).”

Have I understood you correctly ?
Are you saying that MV993 was the ex UK civilian type (ex G-AFKJ )that was Lord Beaverbrooks and that HK822 later became NC3022 ?
Also you do not explain why MV989 is incorrectly noted in Air Brit as a serial number within a cancelled batch of Seafires ?

In any event the following link would seem to clear up the HK822 v. MV993 problem.

http://www.adf-serials.com.au/goose.htm

Enjoy,

All for now
Alex

Hello,

1 Grumman Widgeon numbered JS996 , one off.
Delivered 22-5-43; 111 OTU Nassau 2-43 to 8-43; Foreign Commission , Miami 2-46 as Admiral’s Barge.

From Air Britain RAF Aircraft BA100 to BZ999, FA100 to FZ999, HA100 to HZ999, JA100 to JZ999 and MA100 to MZ999.

HK822 Sea Rescue Flight/ 1 Air Ambulance Unit – Purchased in USA and presented to RAF in 1941. Ex G-AFKJ constructors number 1049 owned by Lord Beaverbrook till Feb 1941; crashed on landing and sank 15m N of Benghazi 9.12.42.
JS996 111 OTU/ 45 Gp, returned to US 28.2.46.
MV989 would have been one of a batch of cancelled Seafires.
MV993 Grumman Goose I for Royal Navy.

I also saw the references to the ATA and 24 Squadron RAF.
My thoughts are that the ATA a/c may have been JS996 and that the 24 Sqdn a/c was either one borrowed from the RN or that it was HK822 on loan (I take note of the phrase “Presented to the RAF” rather than “Impressed into the RAF”).

All the best
Alex

The Air Britain book is wrong on the history of HK822 and MV989.

MV993 was used in the UK by 24 Squadron (and ATA IIRc), HK822 in the Middle East (By the ASR Flight). The former was the ex-UK civilian type (Ex G-AFKJ) presented by Lord Beaverbrook, the latter came from the US as a donation along with the Fairchild 91. (Was ex-NC3022)

Beaverbrook’s aircraft CAA card:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/HistoricalMaterial/G-AFKJ.pdf

PIc of NC3022 before delivery)

http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1317200116/Hi+Pat%2C+you+would+open+that+can+of+worms+wouldn%27t+you-

Grumman Goose I Serials

Hello Joe,

Just sent you an e-mail then saw this latest thread from you.

Where did your info re the serial number changes come from please ? I think they cannot correct.

Air Britain books that I have only give details as in my earlier thread re the serial numbers:
BW361 to BW777 were Lockheed Hudsons.
BW778 to BW827 being allotted to Pitcairn PA-34A Autogiros not delivered.
BW828 to BW834 were indeed seven Pitcairn PA-39’s.

The serial numbers in the FP range that you give for example FP478 collided with Blackburn Shark K8455 and was Cat Z 24.2.42 all crew killed so I would not expect a new serial number to be allotted to an aircraft that was a total loss i.e Category Z. FP492 was also Cat Z from 2.9.42 all crew killed. Also FP506 , 505 to 509 were re-allocated to the USAAC as OA-9’s and given US serial numbers 42-106979 to 106983 as I noted in the earlier thread. So those would not have been re-serialed as they never even left the USA. Further see post 2 above the BW778/827 originally allotted were NTU (Not Taken Up ) and the FP475/524 serials were applied instead.

As for the French a/c my e-mail explains that the French built 41 under licence the SCAN 30 from 1948 which was basicaly the G-44 Widgeon/Gosling.

All for now
Alex

Serials Needed to attach final crash sites or wrecked locations to…I believe these are the 11 that failed to return to the USA postwar…corrections?

FP477 became BW780 (what date?)
FP478 – BW781
FP481 – BW784
FP485 – BW788
FP492 – BW795
FP504 – BW807
FP505 – BW808
FP506 – BW809
FP513 – BW816
FP519 – BW822
FP524 – BW827

Also working on the French Aeronavale use of the JRF Goose in Indochina, very interesting…

A friend is restoring a Goose 1A, ex FP511.

Here’s a thread on what we currently have on the aircraft.
If you have or receive more information, please PM me and I’ll pass it on to the owner.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=113894

Thanks, John