Gun Hobby?

can’t stand the sight of them !!

ultimateley they are designed for one use only ( never known them used as a practical can opener )

got it out of my system in the army , never wanted to see another after !!

I too was a marksman in the CCF back in the 1960s and enjoyed shooting .303″s rechambered (?) to .22″ down at the local Drill Hall, also the real thing on the range during various airfield visits, Annual Camps etc.

I particularly enjoyed firing a full magazine from the Bren Gun at (I think it was) Sealand. We were briefed to fire it in two bursts while silently chanting “Johnny get your gun”, this was to help us achieve a five, then four round burst. I managed the first burst nicely, then excitement must have overtaken me because my next burst shot the tip off the pointer thing that was still indicating where my first bullets struck the target – I can still see that diamond shaped bit flying off into mid-air. Don’t remember getting into any trouble for it though?

Later, during my student years, I joined the local gun club via some kind of subsidised deal with the N.U.S. An evening a week firing .22″ handguns was brilliant fun and ridiculously cheap. One evening, a big chap wearing very “hard man” type clothing occupied the next “stall” to me. He produced a Magnum .44″ from a polished alloy case and proceded to blast away with it. Seeing the look of envy on our faces, he generously offered me and my college pals a turn each. When my turn came, I was impressed by the weight of the gun, the almost slow motion “Blaaam”, the bright yellow flash and, of course, the kick. The gun ended up pointing at the ceiling and God knows what happened to the bullet, it was nowhere near the target.

My first memory of firing any kind of gun is much older than any of these anecdotes though. Held aloft by my dad because I was still too little to reach the counter, I fired an air rifle in the hope of winning a prize when the Annual Fair came to The Commons. I can still recall the yelp and trickle of blood when I hit the stall-holders thumb…

[QUOTE=J Boyle;1788456]Why? don’t you trust your countrymen?:D

John, your far too intellegent to put rather silly remarks as you have here,Guns and weapons are taken very seriously here in the U.K. as well you know. You perhaps remember Dunblane, Hungerford, and others?.
Thats why the gun Laws were tightened up as they were.
Even your own Police (Mostly) carry a Saturday night special, so don’t be so complacent in running our gun laws down.
Yes, I agree for a price, you can get a handgun on the streets easily.:(

As for me wanting a nice Navy Flintlock, and a Pepperpot, they are very rare, you don’t need a licence for them, but the cost of a good example of each, is probably in the thousands of pounds.
Jim.
Lincoln .7.

Gun law in Uk here.

http://www.marplerifleandpistolclub.org.uk/general/gunlaw.htm

Richard. What you posted, failed to mention the requirements to enable one to get a shotgun or firearm, more specificaly, a hand weapon, or a prohibited weapon.
So don’t take what you posted as Gospel.;)
Jim.
Lincoln .7

[QUOTE=paul178;1788579]Well what section of the law do I have to comply with to own a Tank or Field Gun? There are plenty for sale and in use privately in the UK.
They are a prohibited weapon, and I doubt VERY much if the ones you have seen a real, just re enactment guns, unproofed, and also, the owner would have to get his ammo from where exactly?, unless a black powder gun, Oh, yes, yet another licence needed.
As for the repro guns including Stens, Brens, I think we are all well aware they can and have been adapted, but God help those caught with such a weapon.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

J Boyle – precisely my point.:)

Well what section of the law do I have to comply with to own a Tank or Field Gun? There are plenty for sale and in use privately in the UK.

I would have thought those in the wrong hands would cause utter mayhem.

I am sure if they come with a destroyed breech there are enough clever engineers out there to manufactuer one.

As for criminals, make your own sten!

5 second Google gives you this.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2624298/sten-mk2-complete-machine-instructions:eek:

I reckon that those who should not have weapons in the UK will always find ways of getting them…

Quite. Perhaps that’s one reason why they’re called criminals? 🙂

The idea that a person intent on breaking one law will not break another to accomplish his first goal is stupidity of the highest order.

[QUOTE=me109g4;1788439]Lincoln 7, I would be very interested to hear a breakdown of the gun laws over there, who can own who cant, what can and cannot be owned, requirements for ownership etc. Your comment about talking to a doctor as a basis for denial,,,i would assume that the person was having psychological issues??

Hi. It would take far too long to explain in detail a complete breakdown of the rules and regs here in the U.K. but to cut it down.
An application form is filled in by the applicant for a Shotgun or a F/Arm Cert. This would then be checked to make sure it had been filled in correctly. it would then be passed to an Officer, as one of the questions would have been on whoes Land the applicant had permission to shoot on. The officer would visit the landowner to confirm he had in fact permission. The described land would be visited and assesed, 1 acre clear of housing, public, farm animals,for a 12 guage, 2 acres MINIMUM same requirements.Sect 1 F/Arm Then all gathered info if checked out. Certificate would in normal circumstances be issued, there are too many exeptions to the rule like a Prohibited weapon, ie say, a 50cal M/Gun just an example.500 cartridges were the norm for a shotgun holder, A Sect 1 firearm would be issued with a permit restricting the number of bullets he could hold at any given time.
Handguns. Applicants had to belong to a gun club with a Range for a fair time before a permit issued, enquiries would be carried out at the gun club to confirm applicants membership etc. bullets same as Sect 1 F/Arm
Gun safes, of a specific design, ie two locks, safe had to be bolted to an outside brick wall, )Obviously inside the house, not outside) Any residents from abroad, who applied, also required the assistance of Interpol. NO one with a Criminal record allowed any permit.
If during enquiries the Officer found out the applicant was a trouble maker, domestic or otherwise, then enquiries may be made at the applicants Drs. I only ever had to do this twice in 30yrs.
It’s probably a damned site harder over here to get a weapon legaly than it is in the States. I was on two gun forums in the USA, and reading what I did, it seemed to show it was far easier to obtain a weapon in some States than others.The higher the caliber in general, the more land needed, eg, Deer or Stag hunting, mainly done in Scotland, where thousands of acres may be shot upon would enable a sucessful applicant to hold a .303 rifle.
Hope this very small breakdown helps.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I reckon that those who should not have weapons in the UK will always find ways of getting them but our laws make it very difficult for those who are potentially responsible owners and users to acquire them. Blame Major’s kneejerk reaction to Dunblane for it.:(

And I think there is a lot of misconception here about gun laws over there.

Gun law in Uk here.

http://www.marplerifleandpistolclub.org.uk/general/gunlaw.htm

I would dread to think we could get any weapon on the market legaly in G.B. as they can in the States.

Why? don’t you trust your countrymen?:D
Do you think there would be mass mayhem if they had access to firearms?
Perhaps some pent-up anger/frustration?:diablo:
Would the murder rate remain the same but murders would be done with a firearms instead of some other method?

One or two weapons I would love to own, is a Navy flintlock pistol, and a genuine Pepperbox pistol. Both works of art, and more so if Proof Marked, London, and made by a good gun maker.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Do current UK laws prevent you from owning historic artifacts?
If so, the laws need to be revised.

As regards our friend in the USA it’s their 2nd Amendment right. But it’s all too easy to get anything you want in the States, and the Laws relating to Firearms differ from State to State, re carrying, concealment, etc, the list is endless.
I would dread to think we could get any weapon on the market legaly in G.B. as they can in the States.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

There are currently 22,000 gun laws on the books in the US… & we can’t buy any weapon *on the market*.

I currently have 8 Mosins, 4 Enfields, & 1 each: Mauser, Krag, Mossberg, S&W.

There may be a few others I’m forgetting…

Lincoln 7, I would be very interested to hear a breakdown of the gun laws over there, who can own who cant, what can and cannot be owned, requirements for ownership etc. Your comment about talking to a doctor as a basis for denial,,,i would assume that the person was having psychological issues??

I saw mention of lax gun laws in the USA, I can assure you that is not the case, every firearm i purchase i have to fil out a 3 page form, i am then subject to an on the spot background check, through the Federal database for a rifle, and through Federal AND State for a pistol. We currently have almost 23,000 gun laws on the books in this country and for some reason criminals wont obey ANY of them!

Living here in the USA has allowed me to own pretty much what i want in the way of firearms, I have several M1 Garands, a couple of WW2 German Walthers and some .22 target rifles. to date not one of these firearms has commited a crime and they are kept locked in a very secure safe to make sure they behave! The Founding Fathers in this country decided a long time ago that Govt. was not to be trusted, and that the people should remain armed to keep govt. and criminals alike at bay. The people of the UK have elected to allow the Govt. to be in charge of thier safety, considering what i have seen on tv lately it doesnt seem to be working out to well, rioters are destroying your personal property and killing innocent people while your cops do little to prevent it. (The Sihks seem to have the right idea though). Your rioters have little to fear, the criminal justice system there does little or nothing to punish the miscreants, over here they would be being taken to hospitals or the morgue with a serious case of lead poisoning (gunshot wounds). So yes, i enjoy my gun hobby a lot, with the added benefit that i can defend my family should bad things happen, I doubt that many in the UK can say the same.

Remember, when seconds count, a cop is only minutes away!

[QUOTE=PhantomII;1788154]Kabir,

Please inform us all on your progress. I for one would love to see a photo of the gun if you ever manage to track it down. Best of luck!

Hows about the security question I posed?.I would like if possible an answer.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Got a Thompson as well, a 1928,smooth barrel,cutts compensator.

Kabir,

Please inform us all on your progress. I for one would love to see a photo of the gun if you ever manage to track it down. Best of luck!

As for the other posters, thanks for posting and sharing your thoughts. In particular I wonder how one comes across a PPSh41…that’s a pretty neat weapon that reminds me much of the Thompson.

You can see where the British ” Lanchester ” came from!!

The Lanchester is in fact an almost direct copy of the MP28, it is easily recognisable as it has a bronze mag housing. The MP 34 Steyr-Soluthern I have is a more sophisticated weapon, and beautifully made, the receiver being machined out of billet steel.

My collection is, well, I think some would say excessive. But I have firearms that Have been in my family for one hundred years, along with a nice WWII collection and a “modern day” collection also.

As a matter of interest, what security measures do you have/need by Law of the State.to keep so many lethal weapons?.
Also, what would happen if your total collection were to be stolen, and fall into the wrong hands?.
Jim.

Lincoln .7