Gun Hobby?

There’s been a lot of discussion in this thread about the correlation between gun ownership and crime in the US and UK, what about Switzerland where almost evey make over 18 is required by law to posses a firearm, one that is provided by the state and designed to kill. Some of these firearms are fully automatic. We don’t hear about massive crime in that country. I belive that the laws on continental europe are also much less restrictive but again we don’t hear about higher levels of armed crime there either.

You’re overlooking one important aspect:
Education. The US education system is a joke from top to bottom.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdAe3UAIVs

& on Math:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBv2CFTSWU

And…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkBmhM0R2A0&feature=related

you got my vote…

Gun Hobby

There’s been a lot of discussion in this thread about the correlation between gun ownership and crime in the US and UK, what about Switzerland where almost evey make over 18 is required by law to posses a firearm, one that is provided by the state and designed to kill. Some of these firearms are fully automatic. We don’t hear about massive crime in that country. I belive that the laws on continental europe are also much less restrictive but again we don’t hear about higher levels of armed crime there either.

I will declare an interest. I live in South East London and more than once my wife and I have had to dodge people who were carrying illegal guns theat were later used to injure people. I was also caught up in the riots in Croydon. Anything that stops that is welcome but I don’t see how barring responsible people from legally owning firearms is going to do that.

if i had to guess i would say you hit the nail on the head for a vast majority of them. the largest problem is the fact most have no will to do anything more than draw their “check” from the government. not much incentive to do anything when someone else is gonna hand it to them for free to begin with.

if all that is expected is failure , all they’ll live up to is expectations !!

What an interesting post. Are you really suggesting that 13% of the population of America consists of young black youths involved in gangs, drug and gun crime? Do you have a source for that figure? And that those same 13% are responsible for 87% of the crime committed in America? If your figures are right, how can you explain them? For one part of the population to be so disenfranchised in a Country where We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…... is absolutely flabbergasting and a sad indictment on racial equality in the US. Those fine words taken, of course, from your own Declaration of Independence.

Regards,

kev35

It starts with the drop out rate at school…..another area where blacks lead the nation…

kev,

i guess i probably should clarify what i meant as it was some what bland to someone not familiar with it. my 13% is based on federal information on minorities not necasarily black youth in general as mentioned by tornado. 87% of the american population is listed as white caucation, the other 13% can be hispanic, indian, african decent ect. i invite you to look at the FBI website on crime stats, take a look at the stuff here;

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

i also invite you to prouse the state of mississippi’s dept. of corrections website. every inmate in custody has a photo so you can be proof positive that what i say is in fact truth. their website is;

http://www.mdoc.state.ms.us/Research%20and%20Stat%20.htm

this one you can just enter common last names and it will tell you how many and will show you a photo of the inmate..

http://www.mdoc.state.ms.us/InmateTest.asp

by all means dont take my word for it, just go see for yourself. you will see what i mean.

robert

Kev and Lance. I can understand what you both mean, and it’s reasonable to think, however, IF arms had been drawn by a Perp as they say, Criminal in my mind, and he started shooting at the Officer I had gone out with, and I was NOT armed, I would have been a great liability to that Officer, who as well as trying to sort a shooting out, also had to look after my safety.
With me beiing able to look after myself, as regards guns, thats one thing less the Officer would have to worry about.I too could have fired back.
Another thing you will find unbelievabe, is the single barreled 12 bore shotgun had NO safety built in, when I was shown how to release the weapon from it’s central position, I was told, when I questioned the lack of a safety, “When you get hold of that, your going to use it, and possibly wouldn’t have time to take the safety off.
I learned quite a lot in 3 weeks, and liked the way of life over there, until darkness put a seemingly different complexion on things.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

[QUOTE=kev35;1795288]

Unbelievable, you had no power to arrest or detain but you were given the power to shoot someone?

Regards,

kev35

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. He wasn’t a US cop so that covers the arrest/detain part & anyone who is armed can come to the aid of a cop (or anyone else) in fear of his life.
Ferinstance… If there was a hostage/lockdown situ at the school across the street & the bad guy had a cop pinned down, but I could shoot him (the bad guy, not the cop) from my window etc then I wouldn’t be prosecuted.

“Unbelievable” is the word that springs to my mind too.

[QUOTE=Lincoln 7;1795253]

Although I was fully armed, I did have to sign a waiver. No, I had no powers of arrest, I was, and did assist in the arrest of a drunk driver from Colorado one night, who was more than a handful for the (Singular) Officcer I went out with, I also assisted in the arrest of 4 others. I did have the powers however to discharge a firearrm should the need arisen.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Unbelievable, you had no power to arrest or detain but you were given the power to shoot someone?

Regards,

kev35

[QUOTE=kev35;1795245]Jim.

Really, don’t argue semantics with John Boyle, he will (and is) running rings around you. He has pointed out where you imply all Americans, it would have been more politic of you to suggest some Americans. But that is by the by. I’m confused as to how you, as a serving British Police Officer, can go on holiday to America and be allowed out on patrol, armed, and with powers of arrest? It’s either a funny way to run a Police Force (CHP) allowing any Tom, Dick or Jim to go out arresting folk,

Kev. As usual your right.
Although I was fully armed, I did have to sign a waiver. No, I had no powers of arrest, I was, and did assist in the arrest of a drunk driver from Colorado one night, who was more than a handful for the (Singular) Officcer I went out with, I also assisted in the arrest of 4 others. I did have the powers however to discharge a firearrm should the need arisen.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Jim.

Really, don’t argue semantics with John Boyle, he will (and is) running rings around you. He has pointed out where you imply all Americans, it would have been more politic of you to suggest some Americans. But that is by the by. I’m confused as to how you, as a serving British Police Officer, can go on holiday to America and be allowed out on patrol, armed, and with powers of arrest? It’s either a funny way to run a Police Force (CHP) allowing any Tom, Dick or Jim to go out arresting folk, or it’s a funny old holiday.

You are of course right, it’s a discussion forum, and not a political platform. So perhaps it would be an idea for you to think before starting topics which, by their very nature, will have a strong political element to them.

ANM2 Gunner,

What an interesting post. Are you really suggesting that 13% of the population of America consists of young black youths involved in gangs, drug and gun crime? Do you have a source for that figure? And that those same 13% are responsible for 87% of the crime committed in America? If your figures are right, how can you explain them? For one part of the population to be so disenfranchised in a Country where We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…... is absolutely flabbergasting and a sad indictment on racial equality in the US. Those fine words taken, of course, from your own Declaration of Independence.

Regards,

kev35

I wish you’d learn to use the quote facility properly, Jim.

Your posts can be pretty hard to follow sometimes.

[QUOTE=spitfireman;1795115]Ok, I’ll bite, what a Newquay ‘special’?:rolleyes:

Baz. When down there in April, I saw a stick of rock with Newquay written all the way through, it was about 4″ in diameter and 2 feet long, now that would crack an intruders skull, and leave the word Newquay imprinted on the area of impact.
Sold in a shop, on the last r/h corner nearly opposite a shop where they sell leather goods.
Seeing your arsenal, reminded me of that.:D
Jim.
Lincoln .7

[QUOTE=J Boyle;1795075]Post 160…allow me to quote…

Even though I have had my magnifying glass out, I still can’t see where I said I speak for speak for all Americans.There are many who have emigrated there who own weapons but who are NOT Americans.
Just go onto one of your own Gun Forums, of which I belong to two, they are absolutely, and this is only MY opinion, besotted with guns. There nearly always seems to be a competition to see who has the most powerful, and the most weapons.
I can see why the Anti Gun folks want to get rid, if thats the right word, of guns.
And don’t forget that California is now an ethnic minority in it’s own State, because of the illegals, and they are spreading, and don’t tell me they don’t carry weapons, knives, I believe are their favorites.In the 3 weeks, of being an “Honoury member” of America, I and the other member I was crewed up with, arrested 4 members of a gang for drugs, and they were all carrying knives.
Definately.

END OF. or don’t you understand?. It’s just too petty and childish, and you John should know better, it’s a forum,, not a Political platform, for trying to score Brownie points.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Jim.

Lincoln .7.

BTW: Has the UK ever had a Roman Catholic Prime Minister?
How many in modern times were not C of E members? I’m not asking to make a cheap point…it’s a legit question.

No, that’s a very fair point.

Roman Catholics only became eligible to become MPs with the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829.

The most recent Prime Minister who was not a member of the Church of England was Gordon Brown.

He is member of the Church of Scotland. 😀

to put it bluntly the same problems as gary indiana being black youth gangs with drugs and guns.

And if you had this “unique” problem in the UK, your crime rate would go up as well.

13% of the US is made up of the “ELEMENT” you mentioned above, funny how that same 13% is responsible for 87% of the crime in this country. Remove these morons from the equation and our crime rate would be lower than the UK by a long shot. You can believe what you want to but thats just the way it is. Someone from the UK can only read about it, I live in the middle of it everyday. I see it with my own 2 eyes.

See you have your OWN 2nd Amendment Baz.I would have thought you would have a Newquay “Special” though.:)
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Ok, I’ll bite, what’s a Newquay ‘special’?:rolleyes:

Baz

BTW: Has the UK ever had a Roman Catholic Prime Minister?
How many in modern times were not C of E members?

As I understand it,it’s not acceptable for a Roman Catholic to become Prime Minister.

The reason is.the sovereign appoints leading members of the Church of England,following advice from the Prime Minister.Such advice could not be given by a person who was not a member of the church.

Benjamin Disraeli was born Jewish,but baptised as a Christian,and Tony Blair converted to Catholicism only after leaving office.