Guns, The CIA and Apple Pie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrE6H9-q2Mo

OMG!?!?!1?1!!//!?

moving pictures of little and big mans firing guns and cannons. yay!

at 30s is that the BFG9000? no it cant be. it looks too small, must be a BFG3000

what was that at 1:55? ummm, the sound of EVAL methinks.

at 3:35, hehehe, GOOD TIMES!!! 🙂

Well I agree and unfortunately it dosn’t stop with just dressing them up.

Sauron

Hurrifan

Are you worried about the fact that the PLO, Hamas, etc dress up their kids in military uniforms and pose with AK47’s or is your concern only for American children?

Sauron

the loss of ANY childs innocence at such an early age is to be deplored.

but look at the background to both these scenarios;

one a comfortable life prob wanting for nothing with good education , social conditions and few if any problems…

and the other..need i say more…

In some of the Arab nations these fighters are seen as freedom fighters and as such heroes…imitation being the most sincere form of flattery? but the use of kids simply to make a political point is abhorrant..

i cannot understand ANY parent wanting to do such things to their kids .

Hurrifan

Are you worried about the fact that the PLO, Hamas, etc dress up their kids in military uniforms and pose with AK47’s or is your concern only for American children?

Sauron

Well, Well,

So poor ole GW had to admit what the rest of us have known for how long???

Secret CIA prisons…whats next??? Persuasive interrogation techniques??

MY MISTAKE !!!!

IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11 !!!!

Fear a government that fears your guns. Sorry you don’t understand that. BTW, how long have you lived in the U.S.?

ohh i understand that quite well actually! Just makes me feel sad for someone who beleives this sort of stuff! Charlton Heston should have stayed on the set of the Omega man!! :dev2:

and how long did i spend in the states?

heeeeeeeeeh signor i try 256 times to croos da borda fro Mecico dis yar..i ge thar somtim an cum cut yur grass? 😀

Seriously… Long enough old son…long enough!

Nice slogan. NRA, perchance?

I wonder which the good citizens of Basra and Baghdad and of inner cities in the USA (and yes, the UK too) are more afraid of?

Their government or the other people with guns? :rolleyes:

nice slogan ???

sounds more like a job spec for a terrorist state !

Fear a government that fears your guns

Nice slogan. NRA, perchance?

I wonder which the good citizens of Basra and Baghdad and of inner cities in the USA (and yes, the UK too) are more afraid of?

Their government or the other people with guns? :rolleyes:

dont have time to deal with this properly now…too late and the joys of going to work beckon…..BUT

what about walking down to the corner of a certain street ( theres one on most cities and big towns )and buying a small automatic…usually for less than US$ 75….might not take down a bear but it could give your average human a bad start to the day…

guns are too readily available in america either legally or not….

and before you ask no i didnt!!! we arnt all terrosits over here either…just like the Lebanese and the Palestinians!!!

AND WELCOME DJ WONDERED WHEN YOU WOULD APPEAR!!!! :dev2:

Fear a government that fears your guns. Sorry you don’t understand that. BTW, how long have you lived in the U.S.?

Well, Well,

So poor ole GW had to admit what the rest of us have known for how long???

Secret CIA prisons…whats next??? Persuasive interrogation techniques??

That’s what I teach the Army Cadets to do……….most of them act like 2 year olds 😀 😀 😀 Mark 😀 LOL 😀 😀 😀

That reminds me………they come back off leave tonight 😮 😮 😮

I am sure you teach them in a responsable way that allows them to understand just how dangerous weapons can be ..and that people stay dead unlike some playstation game!!!

Who can guarantee that this happens with some parent who thinks its a good idea to play soldiers with real bullets ??

Damn, you guy’s can write 😀 😀 😀 Mark 😀

You are joking …right???

no one could seriously think that a child using what is essentially a replica military assault rifle even for something as innocent as target shooting is a good idea?? could they???? The physoclogical effects alone will be huge..

and this from someone domiciled in the USA?? good old gun culture and god bless the American way of life? NO THANKS !!!!

even more examples of why the rest of us cannot understand the mind set of some Americans and want nothing to do with such thinking…

That’s what I teach the Army Cadets to do……….most of them act like 2 year olds 😀 😀 😀 Mark 😀 LOL 😀 😀 😀

That reminds me………they come back off leave tonight 😮 😮 😮

originally posted by SOC;

“They say “world freedom”, they mean “world freedom from Western influence”. We say “war on terrorism”, we mean “war on militant Islam”. Anyway, if the Taliban was really that loved, why didn’t they just vote them back into office?”

Yep pity they couldnt call it as it is..but PC wouldnt allow i presume…mind you i suppose it means that if some non islamic movement moves into some form of anti- american terrorism they can be lumped in on the rceiving end as well!!!

and with regards to the Taliban …do you really think anyone is going to have the guts to stand up in front of massive Coalition forces ? do you really think that the US/UK would allow the Taliban back into power even if they won an election??? I doubt it!!!

“It was a just cause on the surface at the outset, but probably devolved into something less once we got there and realized what exactly we were dealing with. The real issue insofar as the conflict was concerned was the fact that Congress, not the US military leadership, tried to fight the war. Politicians making warfighting decisions is never a good thing.”

.agreed..foresight is great thing but one wonders what happened to the sort of assessment which was possible elsewhere!!!

and yes politicians are generally not the most qualified to decide on what is the most effective way to fight a war…look at some of the blunders down through history…Gallipoli, Crete,Northern Ireland.. ( thank god for hitler’s perpetual interference!!! )

BUT they do need to have some control ..after all some Generals lose the run of themselves at times!!!!

“Yeah but if they’re suicidal they’re going to kill themselves regardless of the method they use.”

Not always … a knife for instance is a messy and a painfull way of doing yourself in…drugs /poisonare not always quaranteed to work and can be very painfull,…whereas a gun is usually quick..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11018434&dopt=Abstract

http://www.omh.state.ny.us/omhweb/savinglives/Volume2/means_rest.html

not conclusive but at least indicitive!

Again, sorry for the late rreply…the long weekend has seen me spend way too much time on the XBox and hardly any on the computer 😀

WHY did they underbid unless there was substanial profits in the offing?

Because even a 3% profit is still a good profit on a stable, long-term contract. The problem is that when Iraq started they had a lot of the “unforseen expenses” to deal with that killed their profit margin.

surely if it was turning into a loss making operation they would have a pull out clause…..like you said ..it stinks!!!

This is part of the reason why Halliburton has been trying to offload KBR.

and now they would argue that they are fighting for world freedom from Western influence…or what they laughingly call world freedom

They say “world freedom”, they mean “world freedom from Western influence”. We say “war on terrorism”, we mean “war on militant Islam”. Anyway, if the Taliban was really that loved, why didn’t they just vote them back into office?

maybe so…but was it a just cause given the sort of corruption that was in place within both local and national government?

It was a just cause on the surface at the outset, but probably devolved into something less once we got there and realized what exactly we were dealing with. The real issue insofar as the conflict was concerned was the fact that Congress, not the US military leadership, tried to fight the war. Politicians making warfighting decisions is never a good thing.

either way most europeans would gladly say goodbye to America’s influence and sort things out themselves…backyard or not!!!

Great…now just elect leaders into office that’ll take care of business themselves!

Germany…is a relatively big country so it would have bben hard top verify arms levels anyway

Overall? Probably. But in the border region near France and Belguim? That they could have taken care of.

but surely you would agree that where a gun is available say against a knife…someone who is suicidal will take the option of a ” quick” death to a potentially lenghty painfull one?

Yeah but if they’re suicidal they’re going to kill themselves regardless of the method they use.

FRANCE GOT OUT EARLY……..shouldnt you have stayed away????

Not when you consider that the South asked for our help.

okay………should have been clearer ..i meant early as in they didnt stick it out untill the 70’s…

They stuck it out from 1858 to 1954, bar the Jap occupation. That’s near on a hundred years. By early, you would perhaps say then the the Uncle Sam was (once again) late for a war? I certainly would. And they lasted a really long time didn’t they, almost rivalled the French in both longevity and positive cultural influences…..well, maybe they didn’t do so awfully well after all, did they. Maybe America, who have failed in Afghanistan, failed in Iraq, failed in many ****-pot little excursions where they have gone to bully regimes, are not on a par with France either militarily, socially or culturally? They’re certainly more loathed. Remember, France subjugated Indochina and half of North Africa, plus a few other places and kept them running smoothly for many years, building up an infrastructure that has made them ‘work’ now. America just bombed the **** out of a bunch of ***** with all the latest technology and got their arses kicked.

I guess I think ‘sticking it out’ is somewhat derisory.

You mean that little girl’s got a real assault rifle, sprayed a nice kiddie-toy purple? 😮

We speak (more or less) the same language, but it’s things like this that bring home the fact that the USA really is a foreign country.

I’m not passing judgement, by the way, before any high horses are saddled up. The Atlantic is plenty wide enough. :diablo:

Of course it’s real did you not realise they are made by Palitoy?

originally posted by SOC

“Incomplete or possibly purposely biased reporting. They fail to note if the overall suicide rates dropped, only citing that the suicide rates with guns dropped.”

but surely you would agree that where a gun is available say against a knife…someone who is suicidal will take the option of a ” quick” death to a potentially lenghty painfull one?

“As for Vietnam, where is your complaint against France for cutting out in the first place?

unbelievable!!!!

FRANCE GOT OUT EARLY……..shouldnt you have stayed away???? what right had you to impose your way of life on those people ???? and before you ask yes i have been there and yes they are damned happy these days!!!any way sure according to you Yanks the french dont count for much anyway!!!! ask rumsfeld!!!!”

Er, excuse me. Do some homework please.

France had Vietnam for a long time, first the South then the whole lot. They weren’t, however, the first of the foreign invaders – that goes WAY back. Anyways, the Japs took it over and had it during WW2. Then the Brits, who subsequently handed it back to the French who shortly thereafter got their arses kicked by the Viet Minh who ten years later gave a kicking to the Yanks.

Yep, America should get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and anywhere else they’re imposing themselves on. And if they can’t then we should at least. They should stop their military support of Isreal too. israel should accept that it is an arab nation (not as in the Palestinian question, deeper down) and stop causing the tension that sets the others off. America should remove it’s nose from the area and leave them to get on with living how THEY want to live, according to THEIR culture. Leave Syria alone, leave Iran alone. None of America’s damned business. War on terrorism? ******* hypocrites – who bankrolled the IRA against their ‘special friends’ for all those years? 9/11 only happened because America constantly poked its snout in to the affairs of others and bullied them. Was it really such a surprise to discover that not everyone loves what it stands for? ****, even the French hate you – they blew up a McDonalds in Rennes a few years back such is their loathing.

And while you pull out, can you please **** off out of the UK too? Thanks.

okay………should have been clearer ..i meant early as in they didnt stick it out untill the 70’s…

To be fair the american Government never supported the IRA .American citizens certainly did but maybe not to the extent that is beleived.

The use of “evil” is to mock emasculated, whiney leftists…I’ve spent my adult life as an armorer, making sure the US has the most awesome, deadly and reliable weaponry available. I have nothing but respect for the guys and gals who serve in American and allied militaries. They are much more competent and motivated than the rest of the population.

ahhh…the truth will out!!!!

awesome, deadly, reliable? prob so..but accurate??? lot of friendly fire incidents in gulf 1 & 2…at times it was safer being a foe rather than a friend…take it from one who knows!!!!

and who are these allied militaries then? morally allied?

Isreal?…..100k unexploded cluster bomb bomblets in Lebanon…surely not deliberate?