Hamilton Robbed

Had it been a Ferrari driver the stewards would not have taken any action. We all know (or should by now) tha FIA stands for Ferrari International Assistance. A bitt like the AA or RAC for one F1 Team

Niki Lauda can have the last word:)

Lewis wasnt the only one penalised

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43891

Jackie Stewart

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43880

Quote from Niki Lauda says it all really

“In the past, there have always been rumours and stories – and I’ve always been completely against them because they’ve never been proven – that Ferrari, because of its past and history, was always against McLaren with the stewards and the FIA, who if there was a decision, were in favour of Ferrari,” said Lauda.

“I’ve always said this is bulls**t, that this is a sport and you have to be neutral, but the decision yesterday makes me believe that everyone is watching Ferrari in a positive way and McLaren in a very negative way.

“What developed yesterday is the biggest mess the sport has ever done.”

Full article
http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43875

They probably are that small fact dosent stop them being biast towards Ferrari. Did anyone hear about the fact that Farrari were caught with direct copied parts from Mclarens cars? It was kept very quiet and only got mentioned very quickly in the build up to the ozzy grand prix. the jist of the situation was that e-mails were going both ways last year its just another case of Farrari bending the rules.

No i cannot prove it if i could i would

F-1 as a whole is going down the tubes its far too expensive to see all the races live, but next year their on the beeb so i can watch em without any adverts:D provided i can stay awake ofcourse:mad:

It is a boring sport now:(

I thought the FIA was french ie:Federation International Motorsport or some such ?

the fia is ITALIAN and will support FERRARI no matter what happens, but lewis and maclaren will eventualy get through and win constructor and driver championships.:):)

my mistake – it was the Villeneuve one I was thinking of when Schumacher was driving for ferrari.

Easy mistake Paul after all there’s been so many dodgy moments involving Mr Schumacher over the years it is hard to keep track at times. 😀

my mistake – it was the Villeneuve one I was thinking of when Schumacher was driving for ferrari.

Ferrari being able the bend the rules to suit themselves with only the occasional wrist slap has been going on for a long time – do you remember schumacher deliberately drving into Damon Hill and winning the championship as a result.

If your refferring to the incident at the Australian Grand Prix 1994 Schumacher was driving for Benneton not Ferrari.

After Hamilton ‘cut’ the chicane he clearly realised he could be penalised and so sensibly dropped back, as they crossed the start-line he was behind, and moving slower than Raikkonen but then in a breathtaking manoeuvre Hamilton dived back inside Raikkonen ahead of the hairpin, apparently taking him by surprise. All Raikkonen could do in reply was collide with Hamilton’s rear tyre.

Later Hamilton demonstrated how much he outclassed Raikkonen today when the latter crashed-out in the rain. What should have been remembered as a great Grand Prix will now descend into another farce of controversy and ‘race politics’.

At least Raikkonen had the decency to do nothing more that ‘toe the line’ in his post-race interviews.

I’m glad McLaren are appealing this decision.

I didn’t see the race so didn’t see the incident. But paulc and Stangman did. I just wonder whether either of them would be so keen to actually present these claims to Ferrari, the Stewards and their respective legal teams? That’s the problem with internet fora, people feel free to say in anonymity what they wouldn’t say to someone’s face, in this case, Ferrari or the stewards.

Would either of you care to address these claims directly to those you have accused without any evidence, substantiation or the decency of revealing to them your true identities?

Regards,

kev35

Calm down it’s only my opinion of what i saw just like everyone else who watched the race on tv. And yes if i was asked by Ferrari or anyone else i would repeat the statement, there is no way Hamilton should have got a 25 sec penalty for what could only be described as at worst a slight advantage. On the day he drove better in the rain than the Ferrari, they cried and someone listened. Switch Hamilton for Raikkonen and see if the penalty would have been so severe, i don’t think so.
Again only my opinion and i do not think anyone from Ferrari or the Stewards gives a flying who har what i thimk.

[as you can guess quite annoyed by the outcome of the race, but in the great scheme of things it’s no big deal. ] ooh that’s my opinion again

Yes (along with many others) – the evidence was on ITV – Hamilton had the presence of mind to realise that he might have infringed the law, did what he was supposed to in letting Kimi past thereby negating any perceived advantage. Ultimately no advantage was gained because Kimi crashed out.

Ferrari being able the bend the rules to suit themselves with only the occasional wrist slap has been going on for a long time – do you remember schumacher deliberately drving into Damon Hill and winning the championship as a result. The Massa incident in Valencia – according to the FIA own rules (and the commentary team) the only punishment available should have been a drive through penalty or a 10 place grid drop at the next event – what did Ferrari get – a paltry fine. A drive through would have given the race to Hamilton (undeservedly i admit) yet the 25 second deduction today gave the race to an equally undeserving Massa.

F1 as a sport has lost its credibility when one team is favoured more than another in such a blatent manor.

Suggest you look at the incident and make up your own mind – maybe you will realise why these things are being said. The press tomorrow will make very interesting reading.

This decision must be overturned if the sport is to not become even more of a circus than it already is.

I’d just like to know if they are so sure of themselves that they would be happy to make such allegations in person to Ferrari and the stewards.

What makes you think they wouldn’t? You’re kind of kicking off about nothing here to be honest, Kev!

Paul

You miss the point Lance. They may indeed be right. I would not be overly surprised if they were. I’d just like to know if they are so sure of themselves that they would be happy to make such allegations in person to Ferrari and the stewards.

Regards,

kev35

Not suggesting it be removed, just discussing whether they are so sure in their conviction that they would make the claim to Ferrari and the stewards.

regards,

kev35

They seem to be reflecting similar opinions that I have heard expressed in terms just as forthright on the TV and the radio this afternoon, Kev.

I imagine there would be quite a queue outside the Ferrari HQ and/or the stewards’ office if everyone of that opinion were required to present their case in person. :diablo:

Not suggesting it be removed, just discussing whether they are so sure in their conviction that they would make the claim to Ferrari and the stewards.

regards,

kev35

I didn’t see the race so didn’t see the incident. But paulc and Stangman did. I just wonder whether either of them would be so keen to actually present these claims to Ferrari, the Stewards and their respective legal teams? That’s the problem with internet fora, people feel free to say in anonymity what they wouldn’t say to someone’s face, in this case, Ferrari or the stewards.

Would either of you care to address these claims directly to those you have accused without any evidence, substantiation or the decency of revealing to them your true identities?

Regards,

kev35

This isn’t a court of law, Kev. This is a discussion forum.

Would you stifle all discussion that isn’t backed up by hard evidence?

I didn’t see the race so didn’t see the incident. But paulc and Stangman did. I just wonder whether either of them would be so keen to actually present these claims to Ferrari, the Stewards and their respective legal teams? That’s the problem with internet fora, people feel free to say in anonymity what they wouldn’t say to someone’s face, in this case, Ferrari or the stewards.

Would either of you care to address these claims directly to those you have accused without any evidence, substantiation or the decency of revealing to them your true identities?

Regards,

kev35

The Ferrari bias is shining very brightly tonight (as usual) – I wonder how much the stewards were paid to make that decision (or if they will be driving new fiats / ferraris in the near future).

This decision just reinforces the belief that by fair means or foul Mclaren and Hamilton will not be allowed to win the title.

Hopefully Mclaren will appeal this decision and get it overturned as it is a travisty and removes what little is left of the credibility of F1 as a sport.

This just highlights why I gave up watching F1 last year. I have seen the incident and can’t for the life of me see why a 25 sec penalty is justified. Bizarre.