Handley page Victor K2 Tanker converted back to a B2

I looked on the Flightpath web site. They have a BI conversion currently on sale at £31.20. Hannants probably have it or can obtain it if you prefer to shop in person

You can do all sorts of things with plasticard, or indeed pixels, but that doesn’t mean it is easy. Engine inserts were available to ease the problems – check Flightpath to see if any remain but from this producer will only be Mk.2 and does comes with an amazing (if daunting) sheet of etched brass. Just getting the Matchbox kit to be a decent Mk.2 is difficult enough. I know of two kits of the earlier Victor configuration. Frog was 1/96 but I don’t recall its exact shape – I suspect prototype – and any example would carry a platinum price tag. The Lindberg one was about the same scale and closer to a prototype than a production aircraft. It has been available much more recently, but isn’t now. I think that there may have been a Lincoln Victor kit but probably not. A 1/144 kit is available in resin from Anigrand but I think it is a Mk.2 tanker.

I thought advertising was banned on the forum? Should Trenchard Brat be so blatantly advertising his own book?

Many people have seen numerous such talk-up attempts of this 2-book series by the author in Prune, V.A. Forum etc. Contrary to what the author always claims, I think it is best for any interested parties if they refer to Wg Cdr “Jeff” Jefford’s original in-depth RAF Historical Society Journal No. 42 2008 review. This was masterly, fair and accurate of both volumes in its comment.

I have read all the items under this post and all I can say is that you cannot convert a B2 or K2 back to a B1
If you want accurate data why not have a look at the Handley Page book by Roger Brooks from Pen and Sword as this has the facts not fiction in it The Nmk 2 wing is much deeper at the rear and its span ias 120ft and the B1 is 110ft The K2 is 117 ft with 18inches removed from each wing tip. If you wish to check on facts please send me a private message.

Manxman

Disagree. It is possible to convert a B2 or K2 back to a B1, a lot of modellers have already done it. As far as I’m aware the wing section never changed, perhaps Trenchardbrat is confusing the engine bays with the wings. When the B1 wing was changed for the B2 they added an insert at the root and a fence at the point where the insert joined to original wing. I think the insert was about a foot but I don’t have a reliable reference source with me at the moment, not all published information is correct. There was a further extension at the wing tip to make the overall difference up to ten feet

Sorry Firebex the correct story on 232 disaster and a record of all Victors moving to Woodford is in Roger Brooks Book on the Victor Published by Pen and Sword and a listing of all the flights involved with the Testing of the Victor K2

A Great Book

Trenchardbrat

I thought advertising was banned on the forum? Should Trenchard Brat be so blatantly advertising his own book?

How about the bomb aimers glass?

You think you have fun with a model how do you think we felt when 19 of the beggars appeared at Woodford in all sorts of shapes and guises.There where some K1 and some B2 and at least one odd ball as I recall there was a 20th airframe an all whit one but not sure what we did with it as I seem to remember it was the only one to come in by road the rest flew from Radlet followed by loads of lorries full of bits.

My memory is a bit rusty these days but I seem to recall XL 231,232,189,190 amongst others 232 was the first to go back into the sky(I think) on its first test flight it lost its port air brake over a farmers field near Macclesfield and then a week before the airshow blew out about 100 square feet of tarmac from the runway intersection during a practice session.

It then sadly ended its days in a funeral pyre at Marham because someone decided to transfer fuel to the pods on the way out to the end of the runway and number three threw a blade and bounced it off the tarmas back through the pod and wing (Nasty)a Victor from one side and a black burnt nothing from the other at least the crash crews and the buldozers on the fire dump got plenty of practice.

Sorry Firebex the correct story on 232 disaster and a record of all Victors moving to Woodford is in Roger Brooks Book on the Victor Published by Pen and Sword and a listing of all the flights involved with the Testing of the Victor K2

A Great Book

Trenchardbrat

from my darkest distant past modelling days did someone not once manufacture either a complete vacuform B1 victor or a conversion kit fro someone else’s kit ?. If you could get one it might save the aggro or are you a bit of a masochist ?.
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Flightpath.

Ken

Victor kit

from my darkest distant past modelling days did someone not once manufacture either a complete vacuform B1 victor or a conversion kit fro someone else’s kit ?. If you could get one it might save the aggro or are you a bit of a masochist ?.
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You think you have fun with a model how do you think we felt when 19 of the beggars appeared at Woodford in all sorts of shapes and guises.There where some K1 and some B2 and at least one odd ball as I recall there was a 20th airframe an all whit one but not sure what we did with it as I seem to remember it was the only one to come in by road the rest flew from Radlet followed by loads of lorries full of bits.

My memory is a bit rusty these days but I seem to recall XL 231,232,189,190 amongst others 232 was the first to go back into the sky(I think) on its first test flight it lost its port air brake over a farmers field near Macclesfield and then a week before the airshow blew out about 100 square feet of tarmac from the runway intersection during a practice session.

It then sadly ended its days in a funeral pyre at Marham because someone decided to transfer fuel to the pods on the way out to the end of the runway and number three threw a blade and bounced it off the tarmas back through the pod and wing (Nasty)a Victor from one side and a black burnt nothing from the other at least the crash crews and the buldozers on the fire dump got plenty of practice.

I think I will stop there Seafury.. getting lost in the various changes etc etc

Actually I’m quite enjoying the challenge Peter has set himself, and, I suppose, us! Come on Peter, manipulate that image! I demand, blood, sweat, and at least a tear or two 😉

Converting a HP Victor Back to a B1

I have read all the items under this post and all I can say is that you cannot convert a B2 or K2 back to a B1
If you want accurate data why not have a look at the Handley Page book by Roger Brooks from Pen and Sword as this has the facts not fiction in it The Nmk 2 wing is much deeper at the rear and its span ias 120ft and the B1 is 110ft The K2 is 117 ft with 18inches removed from each wing tip. If you wish to check on facts please send me a private message.

Manxman

A B2 it is then.. title amended..

For a B.2 you would need to reinstate the intake at fin base and Kauchman carrots, and change the paint scheme a bit, oh and increase the wing span slightly (probably get away with that though)!

The Victor K.2 was a Mk.2 conversion from the B.2 bomber, the B.2 has many differences, major (inc engines, nacelle area, & intakes) and subtle, from the original B.1/B1A bomber.
On top of that the tanker scheme worn by BK.1s & K.2s was different to that worn by the bomber variants.
In short a K.2 can’t be converted from or to a B.1A.

Just to add to the confusion there was the K.2P which was a Mk.1 Victor tanker conversion, based on the B.1A, is this perhaps what you are trying to achieve here? If so it would still be wrong as the photo (very nice BTW) depicts a K.2.

A B2 it is then.. title amended..

What if I call it a B2 then??

That’s probably a lot easier 😉

If you did want to make it a B1A you should also remove the lower and smaller opening on the little bump at the tip of the nose. The Mk 2s have two, one over the other, Mk1s only have the one.

What if I call it a B2 then??

On the tanker, they took 3.5 feet off the end of each wing to reduce wing loading/stress, from 120 feet to 113 feet

The B1 had wingspan if 110 feet, but I suspect some of the increase between the 1 & 2 was in the engine area

The B2 had and increased wingspan, but the tanker had the wings shortened to relieve stress.

I don’t know if that was back to B1 or something else

The intakes are a dead giveaway, without changing those it’s a bit of a lost cause I’m afraid:(