Hangar10 will use QEC system for their Bf 109 G-12

Don’t think so, no.

…surely what followed was a two ship take off?

I seriously doubt it. Not that it couldn’t be done but I have a hunch that formation take offs, particularly from pavement, are probably wisely avoided where the ‘109 is concerned. Besides that I don’t think the G-6 has been flown at all yet has it?

That video good as it is just stops…surely what followed was a two ship take off? Although there does not appear to be a bone dome being worn unlike this flight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=759CIhZgXsw

Strangely, having seen a few more photos, and that video, it’s kind of grown on me….!

This forum is funny sometimes. I’d like to see how many would refuse a flight in it, just because it had a merlin up front.

As far as I know not until today.

Is the “Schwarze Acht” already flying?

Both ‘109s taxiing…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCUjHrsNvic

There are rumours, G12 and G6 will come to Duxford in July 😎

“I guess the 2-seater Buchon might not be that attractive for potential passengers as a G-12 might be.” – exactly. It seems almost facetious to ask why they converted it to DB power and G-12 configuration over a Buchon trainer. I can’t imagine the sort of person keen on flying in, and having their photo taken in, a “Messerschmitt 109G-12” would be as excited to fly in a blue, bubble-topped Buchon. Not everyone believes “real Messerschmitts have Merlins” :eagerness:

If you have the money, why not a QEC? Makes sense technically, if not fiscally!

‘T1ts on sticks with a U/S donk….’

Some more Q codes! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_code

FUBAR

UFO :very_drunk:

Thanx to those that educated me to QEC! Another unnecessary acronym in the aviation world! At work, there are 1000s of them! Some aircraft types have excessive amounts. Another pet hate is the recently adopted term tech which any Peter S Potter loves to shout loudly at airshows……or similar shortened words….such as the ‘aircraft went tech’. Really? It enrolled itself in a technical college?! I assume they meant it developed a technical fault…..what was wrong with unserviceable? Or dare I say it….U/S! Anyway I digress.

Seems a reasonable business plan to swap engines, especially if one has a low MTBOH…..oh no he didn’t! Yes he did! I guess if you run the DB until it is due an overhaul, swap to Merlin ….it would work well.

QED…Yet another Three Letter Acronym

Thanks Avro!

QEC is a TLA

QED

Didn’t the Buchon have a different tail to deal with the Merlin up front?

The DB605 and RR Merlin are both right hand tractor engines, ie rotate clockwise when aft looking forward. The Hispano-Suiza 12Z engine fitted to the early HA-1112-K1Ls rotated in the opposite direction, ie counter-clockwise, aft looking forward. The fin is indeed cambered to correct for torque factor on the Bf109 and this did cause a problem with the initial HA-1112-K1Ls, as it was cambered the wrong way. The Spaniards corrected this by producing tail sections cambered in the opposite direction for the Hispano engine installation and I believe some of these were fitted on some of the surviving Merlin powered Buchons, giving them a nasty reputation. I do remember reading somewhere in relatively recent times of a tail section being completely rebuilt to have the fin cambered to match the Merlin engine installation.
A photo stolen from Wikipedia illustrates the Hispano-Suiza installation.

Daren, they had a damaged Buchon, needing a lot of work. No one wanted to buy it. The Merlin at least needed to be thoroughly checked (engine running when prop hit ground) They had a DB 605. So they could have converted to a G-2 to G-6. Nothing unique. But a G-12 would be. So they went there, much interest for pessenger flights arising. But DB hours are expensive, and limited. (One in the know stated the costs about 4 times the hours of a Merlin). They decide to do a QEC system use the Merlin for the majority of flights, DB for (very) few – and expensive ones? -. I guess the 2-seater Buchon might not be that attractive for potential passengers as a G-12 might be.

Michael

I get that, I truly do, but I just think the effort to turn it into the G-12, and then slap a Merlin onto it, just seems a bit mad.

If you wanted to offer passenger flights in a ‘109 variant, you could have done another Buchon trainer or, following the example of the Erickson guys, used a disguised Allison.

But hey, it’s not my dough at the end of the day, and that is, as ever, what it boils down to.