Harrier pulled from ebay.

I come on here for discussion on principles involved in aviation preservation…

Your post at #61 clearly indicates otherwise and having a go and telling untruths about someone who isn’t here to put their side across is just snidey, unfortunately I’m more upfront than that.

If you don’t want to spend £70,000+ on a nicely restored Harrier T.2 then just don’t bid and find another one.

Bravoalpha, your understanding of aircraft restoration is second to none. I salute you sir for having such a grasp on the work undertaken, presumably you too will be buying aircraft and restoring them in this manner seeing as it’s so simple, and profitable. I look forward to seeing your projects!

I come on here for discussion on principles involved in aviation preservation but as pagan01 has lowered this thread to one of unnecessary personal insults, I am withdrawing.

Chris is in it for the money. Don’t confuse him with the thousands of enthusiasts and volunteers who do it for love and the preservation of aviation history.

You prat, he has helped me with projects far beyond what I could have hoped for and for no financial incentive what so ever, I can count only a small handful of people as helpful as him.
Yes he is a businessman, he is running a business, but he is also very enthusiastic/knowledgeable about his sphere of aviation and helpful to other people struggling like myself.
The work that he has done on that Harrier is absolutely fantastic, and let’s face it no one else has tackled it in the same manner, he is entitled to ask what he wants for it and I really don’t get the negative vibes on this, if you think it’s over priced don’t bid.

Chris is a businessman, yes – which means he has seen a possible gap in the market, and has restored this aircraft to a good standard, in the hope of filling it.

Perhaps you would like to add up what this sort of thing actually costs. Elsewhere, I sadi I thought that the 70 odd K it was up for was cheap – I stand by that. However you look at it, its over 1000 hrs work, which someone has to pay for, plus the cost of buying the thing, and the parts and so on.

I’ve spent the last 20 odd years in the restoration industry – I wouldnt have been able to do it for that.

Why on earth should it be done for the love of it? (from someone who has donated many thousands of hours over the years….)

Bruce

Chris should be recomended for his work not kicked in the nuts by some office herbert who really does not know what he is talking about and is being instructed by persons who know even less

What is there to commend? He has bought a Harrier for very little money, fabricated a few panels and gave it a coat of paint – and then applied a whopping great price tag.
Chris is in it for the money. Don’t confuse him with the thousands of enthusiasts and volunteers who do it for love and the preservation of aviation history. They don’t give a thought to “how much will it fetch”

This link might help you Keith!! 😀

What’s an ‘Aerojumble‘ Andy ???

And where and when could a person expect to attend one ?? If thats in fact what is done ??

Keith :diablo::diablo:

Aerojumbles were always good for that…..!! 😉

They still are!! ;):D

Did people sell things before EBAY existed???

Chris should be recomended for his work not kicked in the nuts by some office herbert who really does not know what he is talking about and is being instructed by persons who know even less

I have had stuff pulled and have had several annoying email chains whereby they finally agree I was right – no sorry or refund of listing fee!

Regarding that Harrier, looms are absent, when she was at the museum, I put various bits back on her (as did other volunteers), it was the detail bits we put on, small panels etc. Chris has done a good job adding more.

Ebay is a run by a bunch of mindless chumps, i have virtually stopped looking for stuff on there anymore. Thier policies are errratic, randomly applied and usually a wrong call. Would be best for all involved to start boycotting them and let them know why. Am sure there must be better auction sites out there.

Does this mean that the highest buyer cannot just get the company website address and buy it from there without paying comission to EBAY ? I am always minded that many sellers put on their adverts that the item is for sale elsewhere as well!

Hey Ebay what about the TU-95 atom bomb capable bomber recently for sale or the Hind Gun ships that according to the vendor you are not allowed to fly but would very easily start up and OOPS !!!!!!!. A lot of other aircraft especialy the ones on Ebay USA and what about the Warbirds are they not technicaly weapons.

So if they follow the lette rof their rules you are not allowed to advertise anything that could be used as a weapon that just about covers most of the things advertised depending how high you can lift the object and throw it !!!

We have bought aircraft on Ebay that if they where really applying a no weapons rule should not have even been there to start with.

The Harrier belonging to Chris is basicaly empty of any looms and systems as I understand it.

The last aircraft we bought was the Soko Kraguj that has everything in it including the gun sight and all the wiring and systems.In a matter of a couple of hundred hours if the wings and engine were fitted all t you have to do is install 2 7.62 mm machine guns two rocket pods and two 20 kg bombs and you have a fully functional ready to kick 7 shades out of your next door neighbour.

Chris would need to spend about 5,000 hours minimum and a lot of money and equipment that is just not available to even get his harrier to taxi and fly let alone shoot anyone.

The flying Flea we bought off ebay is more a weapon than the Harrier at least it would fly and I could drop something on some poor sods head from 50 feet up !!!!!.

I think personaly there is more to this because there happens to be a large number of Harriers currently up for sale to who ever is acceptable to HMG and the US,it stinks E-Bay !!!!

E-Bay randomly and arbitarliy ‘pull’ items offered for sale on the basis that it contravenes their selling policy when, in fact, it often does no such thing!

Swastikas are often a problem, and yet their policy is clear in that books, DVDs, photos, stamps, coins etc etc that display swastikas are permitted. I have had several such items “pulled” in error and get their standard message telling me that I am selling race hate material.

Empty shell cases appear on e-bay in profusion, and yet when I put on a WW1 trench-art decorated shell I was told that it contravened their firearms and explosives policy and earned a ban!

When I placed a control column from a Hawker Hunter on e-bay some years back that was also pulled because it was “an integral part of a weapons delivery system”. My mistake was in mentioning the words “…firing button”.

Their policies are often as ludicrous as their fees.

I am sure there are many others who are as expasperated as me by the sheer stupidity of it all.

From the BBC link “The seller, Chris Wilson, has been told it contravenes their firearms, weapons and knives policy.”

Makes you wonder about the Jaguars, Harriers, Hunters, Lightnings, Vampires, JP’s etc that have been listed previously

oh the agony with all this free publicity, how will he ever sell anything again ….he might be able to hike the prices up even furthur !!!!

Free publicity caused by losing out on thousand upon thousands of pounds needed to pay his mortgage, wages, outlay, 1000+ hours labour etc etc. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh…

vid clip of Chris and his Harrier,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12437602