Has O'Leary finaly lost the plot

I continue to disagree… he knows exactly what he’s doing and it’s working! Just see easyjet in another thread with their “weddings by pilots” rubbish… it’s all free publicity (as this later story proves, considering it simply wouldn’t work – they have no intention of rolling it out!)

And I continue to disagree with you. Not all publicity is good publicity and anyone who thinks it is is living in a dream world. O’Leary I’m sure will discover this sooner or later.

Paul

In answer to the question has O’Leary lost the plot I think I would now have to say a very definite yes!

I continue to disagree… he knows exactly what he’s doing and it’s working! Just see easyjet in another thread with their “weddings by pilots” rubbish… it’s all free publicity (as this later story proves, considering it simply wouldn’t work – they have no intention of rolling it out!)

I wouldn’t say that’s the ‘whole point’ but you do have a point.

I have two more for MO’L to consider.

1. Remote control aircraft with one pilot flying five aircraft at once from a control centre in whichever country lets him pay pilots the lowest wages.

2. An onboard buffet with an honesty box for payment so that he doesn’t need any more cabin crew.

Love it! In answer to the question has O’Leary lost the plot I think I would now have to say a very definite yes!

Paul

The whole point of hold luggage is that you can put things in there like blades, scissors etc which you can’t carry on board.

I wouldn’t say that’s the ‘whole point’ but you do have a point.

I have two more for MO’L to consider.

1. Remote control aircraft with one pilot flying five aircraft at once from a control centre in whichever country lets him pay pilots the lowest wages.

2. An onboard buffet with an honesty box for payment so that he doesn’t need any more cabin crew.

1L.

(I hope WW doesn’t read my second suggestion!)

Europe’s largest low-cost airline Ryanair is looking at the possibility of getting passengers to carry their luggage all the way to the plane, cutting out the need for baggage handlers.

“We would say to passengers … take your own bag down through airport security, leave it at the bottom of the steps, we put it in the hold and on arrival we deliver it to the aircraft steps and you take it with you,” Chief Executive Michael O’Leary told a news conference yesterday.

Ryanair’s business is centered around cutting costs and the carrier is planning to eliminate check-in desks from October this year, saving up to 40 million euros annually.

An airline spokesman said the group would not pursue the luggage plan if it jeopardized their quick turnaround times.

Source: Reuters

Yet another plan to put airport workers on the dole…:(

Europe’s largest low-cost airline Ryanair is looking at the possibility of getting passengers to carry their luggage all the way to the plane, cutting out the need for baggage handlers.

“We would say to passengers … take your own bag down through airport security, leave it at the bottom of the steps, we put it in the hold and on arrival we deliver it to the aircraft steps and you take it with you,” Chief Executive Michael O’Leary told a news conference yesterday.

Ryanair’s business is centered around cutting costs and the carrier is planning to eliminate check-in desks from October this year, saving up to 40 million euros annually.

An airline spokesman said the group would not pursue the luggage plan if it jeopardized their quick turnaround times.

Source: Reuters

This won’t work. The whole point of hold luggage is that you can put things in there like blades, scissors etc which you can’t carry on board. If passengers are taking their suitcases through with them, they wouldn’t be able to get these through search.

Also, the delays at the security area would be unbelievable.

Forget it

Europe’s largest low-cost airline Ryanair is looking at the possibility of getting passengers to carry their luggage all the way to the plane, cutting out the need for baggage handlers.

“We would say to passengers … take your own bag down through airport security, leave it at the bottom of the steps, we put it in the hold and on arrival we deliver it to the aircraft steps and you take it with you,” Chief Executive Michael O’Leary told a news conference yesterday.

Ryanair’s business is centered around cutting costs and the carrier is planning to eliminate check-in desks from October this year, saving up to 40 million euros annually.

An airline spokesman said the group would not pursue the luggage plan if it jeopardized their quick turnaround times.

Source: Reuters

I think weight and balance calculations are made on the size of an average person, say 180 lbs

Or in the United States 300 lbs!!!

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You’re in danger of appearing ignorant and insulting now, Swerve.

I’d hate for people to think that of you, so it’s time to let it drop or take it elsewhere.

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Utterly different. Except in the mentally ill, obesity is a choice. If you choose to eat a lot & not exercise, you get fat. To equate it with ethnicity is so stupid that I find it hard to believe that anyone with the wit to read, write, & use a computer can think it.

BTW, do you think that food sellers should charge their customers per person, regardless of how much they consume? After all, charging by quantity discriminates against overweight people. It costs them more to buy all that extra food. :diablo:

Remember when Deano said you were reading way too much into this? Take heed of his words and accept you’re wrong, because you’re making yourself look really rather stupid now.

Paul

Utterly different. Except in the mentally ill, obesity is a choice.

Obesity is proven to be genetic (in some cases), as is the colour of your skin. And I’m sure you’ll agree with me, that’s discrimination.

I cannot believe that any sane human being would think that discriminating against overweight people is a good idea, what next? Limit travel to ethnic majorities? It’s the same principle. Shame on you.

Utterly different. Except in the mentally ill, obesity is a choice. If you choose to eat a lot & not exercise, you get fat. To equate it with ethnicity is so stupid that I find it hard to believe that anyone with the wit to read, write, & use a computer can think it.

BTW, do you think that food sellers should charge their customers per person, regardless of how much they consume? After all, charging by quantity discriminates against overweight people. It costs them more to buy all that extra food. :diablo:

After enduring one of the micro-seats of Easyjet from Heathrow to Nice

Really? :eek::p

After enduring one of the micro-seats of Easyjet from Heathrow to Nice, I can almost like the idea. I’m 6’4″ and weigh 200lbs…if there was a really fat person next to me it would have been a worse flight…if that was possible… considering the seat pitch.
It made the back seat of a Porsche 911 look like a limo.:eek:

On the way home in a BA 747-400, there was a young English woman sitting across the aisle from me in the front row of the cabin. She was large (to be blunt, fat for someone her age) in her own right, but she had two children under the age of two.
One was in a baby seat in the seat next to hers, the younger one was in a lay-down thingy (I don’t have kids so don’t know the official term) that was placed in front of her on the large pull down dinner tray attached to the bulkhead.
Hopefully, she paid for the extra seat for her kid, and it’s only fair if they stuck here with an extra charge for her one of her offspring.

They aren’t “negated” by slimmer people. Each person is an additional load. Some are more of a load than others. A thin person is a thin person, not weight shaved off a fat person. A thin person does not make a fat person lighter.

Really? Thanks for the enlightenment, I didn’t know that :rolleyes:

I think you’re missing the point, indirectly it does make a difference, because if you meaned out the 2 weights of a fat & thin person then you will in effect have made the fat person lighter and the thin person heavier.
The fact that you have “extra people” on board hence them being an “extra load” is irrelevant, so the mean weight of your passengers is irrelevant until you reach your MAUW or MTOW.
You are also reading into this thing waaay too much. The std weights we use are

Male 90kg
Female 72kg
Child (2yrs-12yrs) 35kg
Domestic Bags 11kg
Intl Bags 13kg

If a significant number of passengers or checked baggage is expected to exceed the std masses then actual mass must be used or an adequate increment added to the std masses.

I have never ever known this to happen, ever.

You could argue against excess baggage charges on the grounds that for every person with heavy bags, there’s someone not using their full allowance. It’s just as logical.

It isn’t logical at all because the standard mass we use for baggage is based on an average for the maximum allowable weight (20kgs?) and the fact that there will be lighter bags as well.
So based on this if you were to turn up with excess baggage you should quite rightly pay more for the privilege.

For the first time, I like one of O’Learys ideas.

I cannot believe that any sane human being would think that discriminating against overweight people is a good idea, what next? Limit travel to ethnic majorities? It’s the same principle. Shame on you.

Yes, but that doesn’t negate the weight of the fat people! It has absolutely no effect on them whatsoever. You’re confusing cause & effect. The average is the result of the weight distribution. Change one side of it, as has happened & is continuing to happen (obesity is increasing), & the average weight changes – upwards, in reality.

You’ve just basically repeated my own point back at me. Obesity maybe is increasing but that doesn’t necessarily mean the combined weight of the passengers will go up and even if it did, that isn’t the point we’re discussing. Your claim was that the extra weight carried by the more lardy passengers isn’t balanced by the lesser amount carried by smaller people, which simply isn’t true. A child who weighs 25 kilos will occupy a seat where the average may be 75 kilos. If you have 10 children on a flight then that’s half a ton less than the average and half a ton more that can be carried on ‘the fat side’. It will average out.

Paul

You’re starting to come across as having something of an obsession with other people’s waist sizes, Swerve.

Just saying, like……. 😎

Of course they are. If an aircraft has 100 seats and it can be assumed the average weight of each passenger is 75 kilos, some will weigh more, some will weigh less. Basic logic says the proportion of people over that weight will generally be more or less equalled by those under it.

Paul

Yes, but that doesn’t negate the weight of the fat people! It has absolutely no effect on them whatsoever. You’re confusing cause & effect. The average is the result of the weight distribution. Change one side of it, as has happened & is continuing to happen (obesity is increasing), & the average weight changes – upwards, in reality. Those increasing numbers of fat people are not being miraculously “negated”. Airlines are having to adjust their calculations because of them.

I think weight and balance calculations are made on the size of an average person, say 180 lbs or whatever the figure is that they use, therefore the ‘fat one’ has already been compensated by the ‘thin one’!:diablo:

They aren’t “negated” by slimmer people.

Of course they are. If an aircraft has 100 seats and it can be assumed the average weight of each passenger is 75 kilos, some will weigh more, some will weigh less. Basic logic says the proportion of people over that weight will generally be more or less equalled by those under it.

Paul