January 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Hi,
My first post here:)
I joined this site as l suspect have many others for info on the Burma Spitfire dig.
This has got me wondering have any WWII era planes or vehicles that were crated and buried ever been recovered?
I remember as a child my uncle talked about a quantity of American Jeeps and motorcycles that were supposedly burried locally after the war and I guess many have heard similar stories.
Nigel.
By: Seafuryfan - 27th January 2013 at 15:15
Stirlings, anyone? Kasfareet, now Kibrit airbase. Submitted with no more knowledge other thn the ‘Kasfareet Stirling’ story read earlier π
By: Andy in Beds - 24th January 2013 at 00:19
There were all the Skyraider radial engines still in their shipping containers on the dockside in Vietnam, they were off loaded in the final days so refugees could board and simply left on the key side.
Yes, and we had another joker on here a few years ago claiming that he was popping over to ‘Nam to recover them.
He even tried to sell one to a mate who was operating a 3350 powered Sea Fury at the time.
Guess what came of that….???
Loons, the lot of them.
Andy.
PS. While he was there he also claimed to have found a French Bearcat.
By: Flying_Pencil - 23rd January 2013 at 18:23
The main reason for a flying boast was that it did not need an airfield, building a runway for a beast like that would be a mile long. I do not think there was a runway any where in the world long enough to land or take off the Goose.
A couple of miles.
1 mile (land) = 5280 ft. (6072 for nautical)
By: Bruce - 23rd January 2013 at 15:19
Indeed; lets get back on topic please. I think the answer to the OP’s question is ‘No’, unless anyone knows otherwise.
Oh, and the P47 on the Soplata Farm is a fuselage only IIRC.
Bruce
By: knifeedgeturn - 23rd January 2013 at 14:42
The main reason for a flying boast was that it did not need an airfield, building a runway for a beast like that would be a mile long. I do not think there was a runway any where in the world long enough to land or take off the Goose.
Even the “goose” would only be able to carry a miniscule amount of cargo compared to a ship, let alone how you would ship huge quantities of fuel in an A/C ; but the essence of my response, to the original post, (in italics) was that a flying boat, has to spend an amount of it’s time in the water (both loading and unloading) and that makes it vunerable to attack. (unfortunately nothing to do with the thread origin though)
By: Snoopy7422 - 23rd January 2013 at 14:15
Naa..
The main reason for a flying boast was that it did not need an airfield, building a runway for a beast like that would be a mile long. I do not think there was a runway any where in the world long enough to land or take off the Goose.
Er, no. It may have been in part because it didn’t need an runway, however, plenty of Second World War era runways were a mile long (If that was the take-off run indeed required…), even in Blighty. Today, LHR is about two miles long I think. π
By: Graham Adlam - 23rd January 2013 at 13:12
“During the height of cargo ship sinking it became clear to another individual named Howard Hughes that submarines were not suited to intercepting cargo planes so one solution was to build an Altantic crossing large cargo aircraft to ship supplies and troops”.
Not that I’m doubting the integrity of Mr Hughes, but wouldn’t it have been better to design a “land based” cargo plane, so as to completely negate the sub-marine threat?
The main reason for a flying boast was that it did not need an airfield, building a runway for a beast like that would be a mile long. I do not think there was a runway any where in the world long enough to land or take off the Goose.
By: TonyT - 23rd January 2013 at 13:06
There were all the Skyraider radial engines still in their shipping containers on the dockside in Vietnam, they were off loaded in the final days so refugees could board and simply left on the key side.
By: Snoopy7422 - 23rd January 2013 at 12:49
Pacific.
I think Hughes was looking to the Pacific war, where airfield were few, but water was plentiful. The Japanese made a lot of use of their flying boats for supply missions, H6K and H8K versions.
That the Goose was designed for the Pacific war was my firm recollection too.
By: cambsman64 - 23rd January 2013 at 12:32
I think Hughes was looking to the Pacific war, where airfield were few, but water was plentiful. The Japanese made a lot of use of their flying boats for supply missions, H6K and H8K versions.
By: knifeedgeturn - 23rd January 2013 at 12:08
“During the height of cargo ship sinking it became clear to another individual named Howard Hughes that submarines were not suited to intercepting cargo planes so one solution was to build an Altantic crossing large cargo aircraft to ship supplies and troops”.
Not that I’m doubting the integrity of Mr Hughes, but wouldn’t it have been better to design a “land based” cargo plane, so as to completely negate the sub-marine threat?
By: oscar duck - 23rd January 2013 at 10:57
I guess the real question is has there been any recovered aircraft in “buried” crates? Not trash from rubbish tips or salvage yards. Aircraft in swamps/oceans/lakes/rivers/jungle/on hills/in ravines yes.
There was of course the P-40 dug up in Canada by John Paul and company many moons ago but it was land fill by a farmer.
We’ve had the crates in the ocean, crates in caves, crates in the jungle now crates in Burma. To my knowledge allowing for hundreds of aircraft moved in “crates” non seem to have “surfaced” in more than 60+years. Mmmmmmm:confused:
By: bravo24 - 23rd January 2013 at 01:22
830 Nortons
Having ridden 830 Commandos i would say the dealer was doing all real riders a favour!!!!! Unless they were shimmed up right they snaked like *******s. They should still be buried!!!! I know it says 850 but they were really 830.
By: Horscht - 23rd January 2013 at 01:00
Early on in the Iraq war, it was discovered that Saddam had buried a bunch of his MiG’s in the desert, to keep them out of the hands of the coalition forces. He didn’t bother to crate them up. He just covered them in sand. At that point they were rendered useless, but then he was a sociopath, so what do you expect?
By: 43-2195 - 22nd January 2013 at 23:35
There are several P-400 wings on woodlark Island(Guasopa)PNG, that were left there crated when the war ended. The crates have since rotted and they now rest on top of each other. I believe the remoteness of the location made burying or burning unnecessary.
By: Bunsen Honeydew - 22nd January 2013 at 22:24
There was a crated Gannet found in a breakers yard near Godstone in Surrey. As I recall it went to the British Aerial Reserve but no idea what happened to it after that. I think the BAR disappeared in a fog of controversy but I can’t remember what the story was.
Does anyone else know anything about the breakers yard? A school friend used to pass it on the bus to school, always talking about the lumps of Airframe he could see.
By: bazv - 22nd January 2013 at 20:39
Mono- pain
Well Moggy there is a whole big world out there that doesn’t involve Spitfires and digging in holes.
You might like to consider digging less holes for yourself on a forum that you have just joined ;););)
Edit…soon we will have to rename this thread…
Have any crated/buried members posts been found? :D:D:D
By: Mono-plane - 22nd January 2013 at 20:33
Oh, and thank you for pointing out the glorious superiority of pretty-much everything over the Spitfire. It does lend to giggles, given that the Mustang wouldn’t have existed without the British Purchasing Commission, and it wouldn’t have been first-rate without the Rolls-Royce Merlin, I wouldn’t be going out to dinner on it just yet.
π
Cheers,
Matt
No problem Matt, I’m here to educate. So much for even handed moderating eh Moggy?
Anyway Matt, this may come as a surprise bit the Brits are back over here shopping again looking to pick up a few F-35 and along with replacements for a thing called a Nimrod.
By: JollyGreenSlugg - 22nd January 2013 at 20:08
G’day there Mono-plane,
…”Wolfpacks”…”convoys”…
Thanks for the insights, I’m sure nobody here was aware of such fundamental facts of military history. Along with your acidic Snausages story, you’ve educated so many of us in the basics. For this, I humbly thank you.
Oh, and thank you for pointing out the glorious superiority of pretty-much everything over the Spitfire. It does lend to giggles, given that the Mustang wouldn’t have existed without the British Purchasing Commission, and it wouldn’t have been first-rate without the Rolls-Royce Merlin, I wouldn’t be going out to dinner on it just yet.
π
Cheers,
Matt
By: Bruggen 130 - 22nd January 2013 at 19:58
OMG
As for motorcycles in crates..
This one was stunning, a dealer that didn’t like selling his stock, so when he died and they went into the back of his shop
I’m drooling over that:eek: