Hawk T1 to be phased out by the summer..

There is no capacity under current requirements so, as the Agent says, more would have to be ordered and converted.

The chances of the MOD ordering say 12 Hawk T2s for the Red Arrows has to be ‘slim’ to say the least.
How much is a Hawk these days? x12??

Didn’t BAe talk of doing a special Hawk for aerobatic teams, sort of a T2 airframe without all the expensive electronics…?

I wonder if 154 still carries the Llanbedr TV camera & Tx modifications, and was it upgraded to have new wings & fuselage frame? It also had a BAe designed Rad Alt installation for trials use.
Keith

No,possibly,no,no and no 🙂

154 has gradually been made a little more standard over the years – as far as possible.
ATM she still has original wings and fuselage,but it would be more accurate to call her a prototype really,pre production does not really fit the aircraft.
If she remains in service in a couple of years time the wing will need replacing as she will have reached the fatigue life of the original wing !

Plus you need ministers who understand the importance of The Red Arrows for recruitment and international liasons.

So Steve Hackett gets off scot-free? :highly_amused:

Tony,

Hawk T.1 serial XX154

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?93357-Hawk-XX154-35th-Anniversary-of-first-flight

Thanks to all those that advised the identity of ‘154’ and as for being Genesis, even I know that you wont fit Peter Gabriel, Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins, Tony Banks in the same BAe Hawk T.1 😉

Would it be simple fare for the Reds to move on to T2s?

There is no capacity under current requirements so, as the Agent says, more would have to be ordered and converted.

Would it be simple fare for the Reds to move on to T2s?

Anything’s possible with £££££ and time, not much else would stop it. However you’d have to order the airframes and convert them with smoke systems and provide the infrastructure at Scampton and for down-line to support them.

Would it be simple fare for the Reds to move on to T2s?

How did I miss the RN? Thanks, posters.

It was the Hawk prototype , XX154 and first flew on the 21 August 1974 .

Pre production as opposed to prototype, I believe.

I love the Hawk in all its variants, and have over 200 hours in the back seat as a flying spanner.

There has just been a contract awarded for ongoing support for both the T1s and T2s

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-hawks-receive-five-year-support-boost-423602/

Not being an expert on jets and their history, what’s 154 and what’s special about it?

It was the Hawk prototype , XX154 and first flew on the 21 August 1974 .

Tony,

Hawk T.1 serial XX154

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?93357-Hawk-XX154-35th-Anniversary-of-first-flight

154 is genesis. Thats what is special about it.

Let’s hope 154 can survive long enough for museum retirement, complete with its unique prototype features.

Not being an expert on jets and their history, what’s 154 and what’s special about it?

Indeed the OSD for the 100 Sqn jets has been reported in a recent Air Forces Monthly as being 2027…

…by which time they’ll be fifty years old!

The only unit retiring the T.1 is 208 Sqn at Valley. This is so they (at Valley) concentrate on training new pilots on T.2s, and eventually its going to house the other part of MFTS (too modern).

208 had actually gained a stay of execution of about 2 years for training pilots from another AF. As for the rest of the T.1 fleet this what is I know

The Reds have been on a rolling programme for about 4 years replacing some of the older jets they have had (some since 1979) with jets out of Shawbury (presumably the ones that had the new fuselages about 13 years ago. &36 Naval Air Sqn , the Institute of Aviation Medicine QinetiQ and 100 Sqn are still continuing to use them (Think thats everyone)

Indeed the OSD for the 100 Sqn jets has been reported in a recent Air Forces Monthly as being 2027, so i doubt the large number in storage at Shawbury are going anywhere soon.

Tim

I wonder if 154 still carries the Llanbedr TV camera & Tx modifications, and was it upgraded to have new wings & fuselage frame? It also had a BAe designed Rad Alt installation for trials use.
Keith

They will still also be at Culdrose for some time to come. sadly the days of retired aircraft going straight to museums have gone but assume 154 will go to RAFM. Would have been nice to had a proper retirement year and some special schemes like a red and white example.

Hopefully a few will find their way straight into museums and not a certain unscrupulous dealer. 🙂