Hawker Typhoon for Legends 2024

Hi All,
Can’t we all just wish them every success for the project I know I do ? As with any other project they need funds and with money getting tighter for everybody all around we have to pick and choose. I would assume the big question would be considering other major restoration to airworthiness projects which are the most likely to succeed in the current financial climate ?

i.e The RED Arrows asking for donations so you can vandalise their aircraft 😀 Just Jane needs money just as other current big projects, VTTS is always needing more and not just in Aviation orientated projects others such as the Bluebird will need to be funded etc.etc.etc. At the end of the day it all comes down to money as to whether these projects fulfil the creators dream as the donators are having to choose between which they see as the more important and viable increasingly.

It does make you wonder for every one that succeeds how many fall by the wayside to struggle for years ? I mean just take the Whirlwind project I love this project but just cannot afford to donate as I had wanted to and will this project suffer because of the new Tiffy project because it’s an airworthy restoration and not a ground running restoration ?

I have mentioned before an idea to offer tax breaks by funding these restorations it not only moves them along but benefits the tax payer as well. I think it was Tony who informed me the government in the UK would not support this idea sadly, such a shame that worthwhile projects are screaming for donations with no break from the government to aid them…..:apologetic:

Geoff.

Am I right in assuming that a succesfull flight of this one will make the road to a flying Tempest easier?

I should think that getting a Napier Sabre engine ready for flight is going to require a lot of bespoke engineering work and parts production, and at least some reverse engineering. Whoever does this first will naturally make this process easier for those who follow. Isn’t Kermit Weeks intending to have an airworthy Sabre engined Tempest? No doubt both the British and Canadian projects can benefit from this.

dhfan

Many thanks for that info. It appears that you’re the only one who knows. I remember being told that the fuselage lying on the floor of the factory making GT40 Ford replicas at Brooklands, some twenty years ago, was a Tempest airframe rescued from the jungles of the Far East. Curled inside the cockpit was the skeleton of a dead snake !

Quite so – I genuinely wish them luck.

With the belittling of people on this forum of various projects, not just this one

Maybe you can help me out here FB?

Which of the 32 preceding posts have ‘belittled’ this project?

I see only positive encouragement and some factual statements that this is one for the enthusiasts, rather than the general public who turned out in droves to see the Vulcan.

CeBro, you might also like to point out the cynicism?

Thank you both.

Moggy

A Flying Hawker Typhoon

I attended the launch and speaking with each team member afterwards I am quite confident in the level headedness of each of them and their approach to the project. For several years now they have had meetings with companies, trusts, society’s etc to gather huge amounts of knowledge and advice as to how to approach this project. Should the funding allow, I am very confident that this project will come to fruition.

FB

There are certainly people who will appreciate the arrival of an airworthy Hawker Tempest. This is pretty high on list, topped only by
an airworthy Tempest Mk V.
Am I right in assuming that a succesfull flight of this one will make the road to a flying Tempest easier? Anyway, good luck with the project.

Regards
Roger R

Again, Flyer have missed the main point. The date of 2024 is so that one of the trustees can recreate his grandfathers flight from Goodwood, on the anniversary of that flight, to the location of where he crashed, in a typhoon, with parts from his grandfathers aircraft incorporated in the rebuild.

I attended the launch and speaking with each team member afterwards I am quite confident in the level headedness of each of them and their approach to the project. For several years now they have had meetings with companies, trusts, society’s etc to gather huge amounts of knowledge and advice as to how to approach this project. Should the funding allow, I am very confident that this project will come to fruition.

With the belittling of people on this forum of various projects, not just this one, whether this forum is still in existence by the time it flies will be seen. I personally find myself attending here less and less which is sad, but quite frankly I’m not missing it too much.

FB

Their fate hangs in whoever temps a deal out of the actual owner of the legs. Others have tried and failed, which is a great shame as he wants them to go to a worthwhile project.

I have received a couple of PM’s regarding these oleo legs,

Meaning, he wants a small fortune for it. The market for Tiffy legs is quite small. If it was for the other fighter then, well…….
Personally I am very enthusiastic about this project and so are some others, but it seems this forum is getting more and
more cynical. Don’t know if that’s the forum’s fault.

Can anyone explain the principal difference/differences between a Typhoon and a Tempest and which differences lead to an estimate of the ‘better’ aircraft ?

Probably over-simplified but…

The Typhoon wing was too thick for high performance.

Design thinner, more efficient, wing which reduces fuel capacity.
Extend fuselage to make room for extra fuel.
Major differences so change the name to Tempest.

It worked.

Thanks for the reply Denis.

I can think of a couple of worthwhile projects that these parts could go to….. …. Just sayin” 😎

Andy

On another note, I bought a couple of Typhoon T-shirts today 🙂

What is the fate of those legs Denis?

Andy

Their fate hangs in whoever temps a deal out of the actual owner of the legs. Others have tried and failed, which is a great shame as he wants them to go to a worthwhile project.

I have received a couple of PM’s regarding these oleo legs,

You’re not wrong. Ian;
The mod plate was so corroded that it might easily have been D.127135; and thanks for the offer… we’ll doubtless be in touch.

Can anyone explain the principal difference/differences between a Typhoon and a Tempest and which differences lead to an estimate of the ‘better’ aircraft ?

With regard to the section of fuselage behind the cockpit Mod plate/Drg No:
We established that the mod plate information read “D.127136” which relates to the Monocoque Assembly and not the Aircraft identification.
As to the RB396 team assistance… we’ll just wait and see.
Meantime, we have reverse engineered the tubes that mate the cockpit frame to the monocoque “A” frame, and are reverse engineering an “A” frame from measurements and partial drawings.
The tough bit will be reproducing the head fairing from partial measurements and photographs.

Windover,

It’s interesting to note that D.127136 refers to the monocoque section for a Tempest II or V; as I’m sure you’re aware, while very similar there are some differences between the Typhoon and Tempest monocoque sections.

We would be happy to help with data for the missing areas if needed, frame “A” information will not be a problem; I will do some digging to see what we can come up with for the earlier fairing and let you know.

With regard to the section of fuselage behind the cockpit Mod plate/Drg No:
We established that the mod plate information read “D.127136” which relates to the Monocoque Assembly and not the Aircraft identification.
As to the RB396 team assistance… we’ll just wait and see.
Meantime, we have reverse engineered the tubes that mate the cockpit frame to the monocoque “A” frame, and are reverse engineering an “A” frame from measurements and partial drawings.
The tough bit will be reproducing the head fairing from partial measurements and photographs.

At commercial rates, that will surely be necessary to get this through the paperwork jungle, I would judge the £4-6m to be more a tactical ‘going in guesstimate’ than a detailed cost analysis.

A close inspection of the Hawker Fury bi-plane is an engineering joy to behold but in the air all that endeavour is lost to the vast majority of spectators…just another pre war ‘whatsitsname’.

I am a big fan of the Typhoon, my uncle flew them operationally. I wish the team good luck.

Mark

“”””” just be another “Spitfire”, like any other fighter of the era. “””

I don’t think so………………!!!

Yep, sorry but you ask a member of the audience what that single engine fighter is and it will be Hurricane or P51 if they don’t say Spitfire first,the Vulcan was seen by millions who knew what it was called just by the look even from MILES away.
I would love to see it take to the air but maybe airshows will be a thing of the past by then.

Reading through this thread I seem to be in a minority when I say that’s brilliant news.
Hope to see one and more importantly hear one fly in my lifetime.

Windhover,

Yes, we heard that it was Tornado and that JAM were prevented from taking all the measurements they needed by the removal of the parts from the facility at JAM.

I’m sure the RB396 team will be only too happy to make it all available to JAM so that they can complete the measurements they need, especially when you consider that JAM has donated a number of parts to the RB396 project. Seems to make sense that if JAM helps RB, then RB will help JAM. 🙂

Public donations? Maybe 2044 is a better bet

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