HDW MRD 10000

Any news from South Africa regarding this project????

Freeboard is no indicator of stability, if anything it increases stability by raising the freeboard deck if indeed the freeboard deck is higher. Ro-Ro’s to me are still deeply compromised in terms of safety and still have opt outs from standards applied to other commercial vessels, which considering many Ro-Ro’s carry passengers seems more than a little odd.

Any news regarding the multirole vessel planned for Portugal?

Yes. I presume TKMS know what they’re doing (they’ve built enough ships), & she doesn’t look worse than many cruise ships which have ridden out hurricanes safely enough, but as someone said, you can see why she has thrusters both ends. Would need ’em coming alongside in heavy weather.

Cruise ships and large ferries are indeed quite impressive these days. Try and look up Irish Ferries’ M/F Ulysses which was built to deal with difficult conditions on the Hollyhead-Dublin route.
But no matter what they are built for, unexpected conditions can still unsettle these vessels, as recently shown when FS Tonnerre was torn from its moorings near Toulon and drifted across the harbour before 10 tugs came to the rescue.
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=105864

Swerve: Mate thanks for the presentations, it’s the first chance I have had to actually view the offer and it is indeed very impressive. I am concerned however about the very very high freeboard….

Yes. I presume TKMS know what they’re doing (they’ve built enough ships), & she doesn’t look worse than many cruise ships which have ridden out hurricanes safely enough, but as someone said, you can see why she has thrusters both ends. Would need ’em coming alongside in heavy weather.

Hi,

interesting how you have placed CV-90’s in the davits of the German vessel, I wasn’t aware that Germany had any of these assult vessels

No, sadly we don´t operate them. But since that was a fictional German version I thought I could indulge myself. Besides it fits my personal version of the F125.

He’s shown what looks like RAM where the builders show VLS, but I think he should be allowed a bit of artistic licence.

Thanks. Besides if that would really be build for the German Navy RAM would be the choice since my guess it that the vls cells depicted aren´t mk-41s but rather the Umkohto ones.

Easy, extend the box mounting and cover the anchor winchs over or move them altogether. The Barrel does however present a problem as it would bury into the waves in a rough sea. Again I can only offer the thought of the Stealth 127mm gun.

Extanding the box mounting is the way to go. Problem is that this would require a “redesign” (strange word for a ship that isn´t really fully designed yet:-)) since moving the mounting forward would also move the below decks arrangement and the weight of the hole system forward.

Still I wouln´d worry about the barrel since it is still way behind the bow. BTW the stealth gun you mentioned has an even longer barel than the older version of the gun:-))

Regards

Swerve: Mate thanks for the presentations, it’s the first chance I have had to actually view the offer and it is indeed very impressive. I am concerned however about the very very high freeboard.

I see the proposal does mount a “Medium Calliber” gun on the bow- so with that in mind how could a heavy calliber gun, such as the 127mm, fit? Easy, extend the box mounting and cover the anchor winchs over or move them altogether. The Barrel does however present a problem as it would bury into the waves in a rough sea. Again I can only offer the thought of the Stealth 127mm gun.

MConrads: Mate as always nice work- interesting how you have placed CV-90’s in the davits of the German vessel, I wasn’t aware that Germany had any of these assult vessels. As for the 127mm gun: are you sure it is going on the bow? A lot of pics I have seen have had guns either on the corners of the flight deck or in front of the bridge where you have the forward RAM launcher. Try moving the RAM to the bow and place the gun there, remember there are newer versions of the 127mm gun, like the stealth version (DDG-1000class) which is lower than the standard gun seen today on ships such as the Anzac class.

I was going to do a thread on the South African LPH deal, but now I am not sure.

1) Doesn’t matter if Germany has CB90s. This ship’s for export, & customers can buy them if they want
2) The position of the gun is exactly as shown on the official ThyssenKrupp pictures in the presentation linked to by Stonewall, & discussed in the accompanying commentary linked to by me. Same for the small guns (Sea Rogue, not Phalanx) & SAMs. Follow the links & you’ll see that MConrads has it right. He’s shown what looks like RAM where the builders show VLS, but I think he should be allowed a bit of artistic licence. The VLS (like the bow gun) is an optional extra, & I’m sure if a customer wanted RAM instead, they could have it.

http://www.decisionsupport5.co.za/downloads/presentations/Theme_3_Panel_Bernd_Woelfer_presentation.pdf
http://www.decisionsupport5.co.za/downloads/papers/Theme_3_Panel_Bernd_Woelfer_paper.pdf

MConrads: Mate as always nice work- interesting how you have placed CV-90’s in the davits of the German vessel, I wasn’t aware that Germany had any of these assult vessels. As for the 127mm gun: are you sure it is going on the bow? A lot of pics I have seen have had guns either on the corners of the flight deck or in front of the bridge where you have the forward RAM launcher. Try moving the RAM to the bow and place the gun there, remember there are newer versions of the 127mm gun, like the stealth version (DDG-1000class) which is lower than the standard gun seen today on ships such as the Anzac class.

I was going to do a thread on the South African LPH deal, but now I am not sure.

Hi,

By the way, (hope this wouldnt bee too much offtopic) I have heard that the German navy tested the finnish Jurmo type of small assault boat (similar in size to the Strb90) and atleast in here it was reported that the bundesmarine was statisfied with the type and found it comparable to bigger vessels.

By bigger vessels they were refering to the CB-90. All I could find is that the test with FGS Frankfurt a.M. were satisfactory. If a procurement will spring from it or those test were merely to see if Finnish forces could operate from the type 702 EGVs in a European Battle Group I simply don´t know.

Regards.

ho many munitions lifts dose it have? id expect 2-4 minume. the 03 heili deck now makes perfect sences. Can the hanger deck be used to store tanks,APC,Trucks.

Follow the links, man!

ho many munitions lifts dose it have? id expect 2-4 minume. the 03 heili deck now makes perfect sences. Can the hanger deck be used to store tanks,APC,Trucks.

Hmmm flight deck on 03 deck is novel!. Very high freeboard too – you can see why they’ve added bow and stern thrusters!. Bringing that thing alongside in gusty conditions would be entertaining to say the least.

One question might also be how the deck officer in Flyco is going to be able to see a chopper landing on the aft, maindeck, spot?. By the look of it the thru-deck obscures the view!!!.

Other than that – interesting design!

But ugly as sin.

They’ve obviously thought a lot about cost. One lift to save money (building & maintenance requirements), then the stern deck to mitigate the risk of lift failure, for example.

By the way, (hope this wouldnt bee too much offtopic) I have heard that the German navy tested the finnish Jurmo type of small assault boat (similar in size to the Strb90) and atleast in here it was reported that the bundesmarine was statisfied with the type and found it comparable to bigger vessels.

Hi,

“I am looking forward to lot’s of nice pictures ;-)”

Well you should have them all by now. Nice to be back (though it is only on weekends through my office connection:-((

“Perhaps one day this is the first German flattop?”

My thoughts exactly:-))

“which explains that that deck is intended for multiple roles, & one use is as a backup helideck in the event of the lift being unusable.”

like this:

“being able to take 155mm arty”

Yeah, however I tried to place a 127mm gun on the bow and it somehow was too big. Perhaps it needs to be slightly redesigned for that.

“You can wheel helicopters straight out of the hangar onto it.”

That is the only real weakness I can spot. It only has one lift.

“Damn, you’re good!”

Thanks a lot. I just wished that TKMS would be that forthcoming with material for all their designs.

Regards.

One question might also be how the deck officer in Flyco is going to be able to see a chopper landing on the aft, maindeck, spot?. By the look of it the thru-deck obscures the view!!!.

Other than that – interesting design!

Probably camera’s, have seen similar on lots of frigates and such where the superstructure obscures the flight deck.

Unicorn

Hmmm flight deck on 03 deck is novel!. Very high freeboard too – you can see why they’ve added bow and stern thrusters!. Bringing that thing alongside in gusty conditions would be entertaining to say the least.

One question might also be how the deck officer in Flyco is going to be able to see a chopper landing on the aft, maindeck, spot?. By the look of it the thru-deck obscures the view!!!.

Other than that – interesting design!

very impressive drawing. its a fasinating desgin the MRD10000 being able to take 155mm arty is intersting as well as lots of helos and floodable deck. im wondering why its got a lower heil deck as well as the 4 spot flat deck.
Just thinking that that should be all on one deck

If you look at the website where Stonewall found the presentation (great find, BTW), you’ll find the speakers commentary accompanying it, which explains that that deck is intended for multiple roles, & one use is as a backup helideck in the event of the lift being unusable. You can wheel helicopters straight out of the hangar onto it.

http://www.decisionsupport5.co.za/downloads/papers/Theme_3_Panel_Bernd_Woelfer_paper.pdf

The basic configuration is quite spartan (2D radar, only the SEA ROGUE light guns), with the front gun, VLS, 3D radar etc being optional extras. Designed for low cost.

If my idea of S. African requirements is correct, I think it probably fits them rather well.

BTW, there are also presentations on the Mistral & Spanish amphibious capabilities.

very impressive drawing. its a fasinating desgin the MRD10000 being able to take 155mm arty is intersting as well as lots of helos and floodable deck. im wondering why its got a lower heil deck as well as the 4 spot flat deck.
Just thinking that that should be all on one deck

MRD 10000

Hi!

Nice to have you back on the board!

I am looking forward to lot’s of nice pictures 😉

This MRD 10000 would be a very interesting design for many navies.
Perhaps one day this is the first german flattop?