Help needed – identify this fuel tank and other parts!

Here are the markings off the hub:
Pattern No. 1569800
1003755
HSP 7061-C
MFG 25616

Diameter is 7’2″, so I think it scales well with that shown in the picture of the TWA-4 – considering mechanic of average height!

Can anybody tell me when this prop would be from given any of the above numbers on the hub, or trace any further details such as customer?

Much appreciated.

Looks like a Hamilton Standard ground adjustable fixed pitch propeller to me.

Again I think that Keith Meggs’ book has helped me out. I think the prop is off the Palcar TWA-4, as designed by Thomas William Air. Picture attached.

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Thanks to Ian Debenham for picking out some relevent points for me. Keith’s text points out that the prop is ground adjustable, and also talks about consideration of modifying the blades… “…it was decided to cut down the blade area, but to keep the same diameter…” Comparing the prop shot plus that of the TWA-4, the blade does look a wee bit different in its outer 40% of length. Ian also recognized the decal as that of Hamilton Standard, except that to me, anyway, the hub of this prop looks quite unusual – really HS?

prop shat

Those damn pigeons:p

Another part… a prop…

Here is another I have been unable to identify to this point. The prop is approx 2m diameter. SAE spline and the pitch is ground adjustable.

I was thinking of a small Junkers with P&W, but no luck as far a I could see.

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Here are some more images of the tank…
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It would have been much better with the radiator tank if I had taken a photo of it with a plain background, then it would have been easier for us all! 🙂

Yes the parts are an eclectic bunch. They are owned by a gentleman who’s family has been in the aero business since the late 20’s. He has also always been interested in aviation as a hobby too.

Nicko – if you can email me a number of photos of the other unidentified tank I will ask around and try and get an ID for you.

Anyway I’m happy to find my intuition is well founded – that it is aeroplane part and not from an army land vehicle!!!

I think your intuition worked very well Nicko, and perhaps your original photo didnt really show that the radiator tank had an aerofoil shape for any of us to visualise what you could see in it, but well done for persisting!

Of course this puts the radiator tank back from the early 1920s, where as the round steel tank has stamps from the late 1920s, and I am still not sure the AIF stamps are likely to be air force related by 1928?, or that one’s resolved identity proves anything about the other?

Two of the plaques on the fuel tank are each with statements ‘TESTED BY…’ and ‘PASSED BY…’ (One being with the AIF 3 stamp), and the date; one plaque for 1927 and one for 1928.

I don’t believe that a land vehicle fuel tank would undergo that level of maintenance control in that era.

Is it possible the plaques are actually repair patches, with the test and passed markings stamped into the repairs themselves, and that instead of being evidence of yearly inspections that they are consecutive repairs of a leaking tank?

This tank is made in Carlton Victoria, and so not original equipment for a DH9 built in the UK, but it might be worth now exploring what the oil tank for a DH9 looks like in case this was a locally made replacement?

So it appears you have a very eclectic collection of parts with some if not all from aircraft, but spanning from the early 1920’s, possibly late 1920’s??, late 1930’s and 1940s?.

Is it possibly an ex trade school set of items?, do you know anything about how they came together into one pile?

Again well done for persisting, I look forward to you resolving the riddle of the round oil tank.

regards

Mark Pilkington

A Eureka moment unfolded for me from last night through until this morning. Leafing through Keith Megg’s great Vol 1/Book 1, I saw Qantas DH.9C G-AUFM, ‘Ion’; I could see that this may well have the radiator tank I have been trying to identify. Anyway, this is the case; if you look at the side view dwg on the wikipedia page for the Airco DH.9, and also the photo of D5649 at the IWM (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/De_Havilland_Airco_DH9_REJS.jpg), you can see it clearly. Also here is a cropping of my image of the DH.9 G-EAQM at the AWM that I took back in 2009.
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Anyway I’m happy to find my intuition is well founded – that it is aeroplane part and not from an army land vehicle!!!

I personally think the first two items are not aviation related but Australian Army related.

The AIF stamp on a locally produced fuel tank would seem to clearly suggest “Australian Imperial Force” inspection. rather than the “AID” stamps more associated with aviation.

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regards

Mark Pilkington

Mark –

Two of the plaques on the fuel tank are each with statements ‘TESTED BY…’ and ‘PASSED BY…’ (One being with the AIF 3 stamp), and the date; one plaque for 1927 and one for 1928.

I don’t believe that a land vehicle fuel tank would undergo that level of maintenance control in that era.
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Regards,
Nicko.

Thank you all for various replies.

Undercarriage hand pump: I also had other correspondence suggesting Walrus.

Fuel tank: This is cylindrical and is definitely not from a Lancaster anyway.

Mark’s questions: The fuel tank is steel, whereas the radiator fluid tank seems to be bronze or similar. I had assumed the latter was aircraft because it is somewhat aerodynamic in cross section. I thought it might fit on the style radiator that protrudes from the side of the fuselage, like the radiator on the Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8. The ‘cut-out’ in the tank is ‘gloved-hand’ in size, so I thought that would provide clearance for a hand-hold.

It could be Walrus then, which used the same basic valve block.

Thanks for welcome & info.

Here is another one – a hand pump for undercarriage. So far I have worked out it is not Anson.
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Nicko.

It has been altered in later life, but it is Spitfire by the looks of it –

Can anyone help me identify these parts – what aircraft/ what propeller? All parts are thought to have come from the Sydney area.

Fuel tank: 2 ft long, 20 in diameter; nominally, say, 25 imp gallons. Manufactured:
[INDENT]AS Mills & Co
Manufacturers
130-32 Queensbury St, Carlton [Melbourne][/INDENT]
Dates on plaques: 1927,1928. Inspector’s stamp: AIF 3

Radiator fluid tank with the impression of lettering that reads ‘Fill … with radiator fluid …’

Thanks.

I personally think the first two items are not aviation related but Australian Army related.

The AIF stamp on a locally produced fuel tank would seem to clearly suggest “Australian Imperial Force” inspection. rather than the “AID” stamps more associated with aviation.

By 1928 the RAAF was seperate from the Army and would not be likely to be using Army/AIF nomenclature.

The Radiator tank seems to be camouflaged and again more at home on a military vehicle than an aircraft,

I assume both are steel tanks rather than aluminium?

In the late 1920’s the Australian Army had Armoured cars carrying machine guns, these may relate to those, equally it may relate to ground power units used for balloon winches, or other field needs such as power generation.

regards

Mark Pilkington

Sure the tank is fuel. is it oval or round, just asking because there was a query about a Lanc turret hydraulic tank recently and it looks like the second image, see

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=122622

Thanks for welcome & info.

Here is another one – a hand pump for undercarriage. So far I have worked out it is not Anson.
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Nicko.

🙂

Hi Nicko

Welcome to the forum.
The third one is the dummy SAE 50 prop shat used on the test bench for static testing of the propeller hydraulics.
I’ve not seen the term ‘radiator fluid’ before. Interesting.

Pete