I’m just about ready to admit defeat on this one! I’m working on a new project that involves a lot of French and German aircraft – one of which is this picture of this Loire et Olivier H27 (according to the sign under the hull)… Only problem is, I cannot find out anything about it! Yes, I know the company evolved into Société Nationale de Constructions Aéronautiques du Sud-Est (SNCASE) and that LeO started in 1936 with the design of a large six-engined flying boat under the designation H-49 with the name Amphitrite, but I can locate precious little else.
So is this a picture of a mock-up that was never built? The picture ‘could’ have been taken at the 1930 Salon de l’Aéronautique in Paris – certain the negative number is from a batch that incorporates that event, but I can find no confirmation – perhaps as usual I’m looking in the wrong place!
HELP!!!
By: avion ancien - 7th November 2012 at 07:24
No it doesn’t! The maxim res ipsa loquitur translates from Latin as the matter itself speaks or, more colloquially, the thing speaks for itself (q.v. Mozley & Whiteley’s Law Dictionary). This maxim was applied to your penultimate post, Super Sioux, as an indication that the information which you had posted had, in my opinion, resolved conclusively the issue originally put forward by GrahamSimons.
By: super sioux - 6th November 2012 at 23:39
Res ipsa loquitur!
Using a Latin phrase generally used in medical court cases instead of the English ‘prove it’ is taking your rebuttal too far! My answer was taken verbatim from ‘The Illustrated Encylopaedia of Aircraft’ volume ten, page 2335. Published by Orbis in eighteen volumes between 1981-85. Contributors include Keith Fretwell (artist full colour three views) Bill Gunston and Davd Mondey amongst many others. I have used the volumes to answer other queries on the site without a Latin retort being used.
By: avion ancien - 5th November 2012 at 21:11
Res ipsa loquitur!
By: super sioux - 5th November 2012 at 20:55
My source of inimitable info. ‘The Illustrated Encyclopaedia Of Aircraft’ tells me that the Liore-et-Olivier H27 was built as a long range mail carrier in competition with the Latecoere 380. The H27 was exhibited at the 1930 Paris Salon de Aeronautique. It was a cantilever high wing monoplane flying boat, powered by four engines carried over the wings in tandem pairs, but major changes in the basic requirment meant that the rebuilt H-27 did not fly until 1934. Powered by four 650-hp (485-kW) Hispano -Suiza 12 Nbr engines, the H-27 was abandoned when the metal skins of the hull developed ripples during flight tests.:eek:
By: avion ancien - 4th November 2012 at 16:30
Just one more thought. A chap named Gerard Hartmann may be able to help you. He is the author of the monograph on Lioré et Olivier. You’ll find his e-mail address if you go to www.hydroretro.net.
By: avion ancien - 4th November 2012 at 14:15
If your schoolboy French proves to be your Achilles Heel, then I’m happy to do a translation for you. However many of those who frequent that forum have very good English – although no self respecting Frenchman would admit to such!
By: GrahamSimons - 4th November 2012 at 14:05
Many thanks for that! I’ll try and get my schoolboy french around it and post!
I’m still not discounting that it ‘is’ 1930, despite what the aviafrance site says – and I’m not saying they are wrong! Clearly the pic I have has ‘cut off’ mainplanes, so it could well be a complete mock up used for the 1930 salon where the aviafrance site is quoting actual build dates!
Oh the fun of research!
By: avion ancien - 4th November 2012 at 13:45
I feel sure that you will have looked at http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=5685&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=825&ANNEE=0&ID_MISSION=0&MOTCLEF=. However this dates the LeO H-27 to 1934 which, if correct, discounts the possibility of the photo having been taken at the 1930 Paris Salon. You might find it useful to post the photo on ‘histoire’ forum at http://www.aerostories.org/~aeroforums/forumhist/index.php as the experts there frequently come up trumps on matters such as this.
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November 4, 2012 at 12:11 pm