Here we go again!! Ash closures Part II (Merged)

Heathrow, Gatwick and City Airports will close at 1.00am and are expected to re-open at 7.00am. It will be interesting to see where the long-hauls, which will have been in the air for some hours by now, will end up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8685913.stm

I’m on the west coast of the USA right now… Most of the earlier UK bound flights on Sunday took a cautious approach and cancelled – a couple of BAs in long term parking here at LAX, plus UA and NZ didn’t go. Not sure whether VS got both their LHR flights away, or just the later one. Most later evening flights to the UK got away on the presumption that the 0700 reopening would happen.

Anyway, even though the UK seems to be open again, many of the airlines are backed up on getting passengers back to the UK – now, how do I spend the next day and a half before I can fly?? God bless volcanos – sometimes!!! 😉

Andy

Kingfisher Airlines cancel LHR flights from DEL and BOM.

Two Cathay Pacific B747s (CX251 and CX255) diverted to Manchester.

Heathrow, Gatwick and City Airports will close at 1.00am and are expected to re-open at 7.00am. It will be interesting to see where the long-hauls, which will have been in the air for some hours by now, will end up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8685913.stm

Katla blows her top.

Ha….. 500-700 meters of ICE….. wow…..

Your right…. its due a “go” in the next few years or so…..

Its looking like another normal ash day around a lot of the major airports….

Airports which fall within the no-fly zone now include all those in Northern Ireland Ronaldsway, Prestwick, Teeside, Carlisle, Manchester, Leeds-Bradford, Liverpool, Doncaster, Humberside, East Midlands, Birmingham and Norwich as well as some Scottish island airports including Campbeltown, Islay and Barra.

London airports are currently unaffected and will remain open between at least 7pm tonight and 1am.

It’s probably best to think of all this disruption and aggravation as a rehearsal for what will happen if (or, rather, when) Katla blows her top.

You ain’t seen nothing yet, folks.

Manchester Airport is closed till 1am at the earliest.
SKY just inteviewed this idiot and he was old to go thought his insurance if his hoilday was canx ,which seems fair.
But he said it was nthing to do with his insurance it was Thomson’s fault for delaying his flight :confused:
Where do they get these idiots from

Occam’s Razor seems to have a role here. 😎

:confused:

I thought Occam was a beacon near Heathrow? 😮 I’m sure we were holding over it when I came back from the USA last week! 😉

Andy

That’s true.

I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact that there is a cloud of ash……

The fundamental issue is how much ash there is in specific areas of airspace, and how is the cloud moving and dispersing. In that respect, dodgy computer models, vested interests and even conspiracy theories can legitimately come into play.

Occam’s Razor seems to have a role here. 😎

Folks the original charts that we are all used to seeing have now been be replaced by two scale colours black / red,these are the charts on which the IAA make their decisions on

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2010/volcano/ashconcentration/#D4

Of course, it could just be a cloud of volcanic ash……

I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact that there is a cloud of ash – even the most serious cynics would accept that the pictures are real. Indeed, I also suspect most people accept that volcanic ash doesn’t do jet engines much good.

The fundamental issue is how much ash there is in specific areas of airspace, and how is the cloud moving and dispersing. In that respect, dodgy computer models, vested interests and even conspiracy theories can legitimately come into play.

Andy

G-LUXE was flying out of Cranfield yesterday to monitor the ash cloud and will also be doing the same today.

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If you’re talking about the “pikey’s” thing then maybe… :p

If you’re talking about the US/climate-change comments, then I am reporting what was said in the US media there last week – it just happens to be a view that I can conceive of having potential given that (a) I do not agree with any of the climate change theory being pushed around right now and (b) climate change supporters already have a track record of fudging figures in the past to make them fit with their objectives. Look at it this way – if the pro-climate-change / anti-aviation supporters can demonstrate that we can do without aviation (or manage with less aviation) – through dust clouds of questionable denisty if necessary – then they can start to build arguments as to why aviation could be restricted more than it is now. Whilst the primary objective must be safety founded on logic and scientific measurement and testing (not on computer models or theory), then even if the “conspiracy” idea is unfounded it is unwise to leave the door open to those who might use these events as a lever to try justify restricting air travel in future.

Besides, winding up the natives here can be fun! 🙂

Andy

Climate change is a myth.
At least in the sense its all being touted!

The Earth has always gone through climate change. There is plenty of evidence to show that Earth regularly (in archeological terms) goes through a change in climate.

Our pollution is not helping matters, but I see no evidence to prove it is the single biggest cause.

Here we go again!! Ash closures

Scotland Ireland and prob Northern England airspace closing 0700 weds.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8661096.stm

Airspace over Scotland and Northern Ireland will be closed from 7am tomorrow due to the Icelandic ash cloud, the Civil Aviation Authority has said.
Flights in the North of England and North Wales could also be affected in the afternoon if the ash continues to move south.

from sky news

Much as Andy’s last sentence about winding up the natives here – with a smiley, of course.;)

C’mon now Grey Area, why spoil a good conspiracy theory with logic? There’s no fun to be had in that.

Of course, it could just be a cloud of volcanic ash……