Just a few days after having their landing rights reinstated Onur has again hit the headlines in NL. At Eindhoven one of their A321s had a massive fuel spill.
The plane was scheduled for flight OHY716 to Antalya. The passengers had to evacuate the plane.
At the time of the incident the engines where already running. A spokesmen of the air safety inspection (IVW) said that there was no danger for fire. The wings of the A321 has “ridges” that deflect the fuel away from the engines.
The main cause of the problem has been the “fuel flap connection” (roughly translating Dutch to English as I don’t know the proper name)
It is not yet known if this incident will have effects on Onur’s landing rights. Three IVW inspectors are investigating what exactly happened. The Turkish aviation safety officials will be informed as well.
Dutch only:
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=8749
By: tenthije - 3rd June 2005 at 16:52
Have the bookkeepers opened yet?
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 16:49
Grey Area.
Keep oput of this!
It’s time Sandy and I had a duel.
Seems like handbags are the weapons of choice.
Dawn tomorrow Sandy? You’re up in that foreign Country that Hadrian tried to blockade and I’m down in the civilised Midlands. I suggest MAN as the venue.
So, AVP it is then at 0630 tomorrow. (Bring sandwiches and a camera) 😉
Grey Area can referee.
PS Perhaps we could sell the television rights? I’ll split the cash with you. You’ll need some to buy a new handbag…… 😉
Regards,
kev35
lol
Just when I think I’ve got you all figured out…. lmao!
By: Airline owner - 3rd June 2005 at 16:24
I hope to see it on Sky Sports 1 tomorrow morning…(live)
By: kev35 - 3rd June 2005 at 16:00
Grey Area.
Keep oput of this!
It’s time Sandy and I had a duel.
Seems like handbags are the weapons of choice.
Dawn tomorrow Sandy? You’re up in that foreign Country that Hadrian tried to blockade and I’m down in the civilised Midlands. I suggest MAN as the venue.
So, AVP it is then at 0630 tomorrow. (Bring sandwiches and a camera) 😉
Grey Area can referee.
PS Perhaps we could sell the television rights? I’ll split the cash with you. You’ll need some to buy a new handbag…… 😉
Regards,
kev35
By: Grey Area - 3rd June 2005 at 12:40
Thank you, gentlemen.
Handbags down now, please…… 😀
Grey Area
Moderator
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 12:31
So what changed your mind?
Regards,
kev35
Nothing!
People were blaming ONUR… I offered an alternative…. trying to illustrate we cannot pin blame on one person or organisation… not untill more info is available.
By: kev35 - 3rd June 2005 at 12:24
So what changed your mind?
Regards,
kev35
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 12:21
No I do not. for heavens sake!
Thats the whole point.
I was trying to show it is NOT FAIR TO LAY THE BLAME at this stage.
Can you not just get that into your head? OR are you blinded by your obvious prejustice against me or something?
By: kev35 - 3rd June 2005 at 12:19
But would you agree its not fair to lay the blame on Onur now, atleast not at this stage?
You’re doing it again!
It could be any number of things but you want to directly blame the airline. Being creative as you are and knowing your penchant for Boeing, I thought you might have blamed Airbus Industrie by now. You never normally pass up a chance to have a dig.
Let the investigators investigate. with all due respect, they are far more knowledgable than you or I so I don’t understand this constant desire to apportion blame without being party to the facts.
Unless, of course, they have sought your opinion? In which case I stand corrected.
Regards,
kev35
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 11:53
A wild guess, perhaps a ruptured overpressure disk? Or the pressure refueling valve could be faulty, but I doubt it….
But would you agree its not fair to lay the blame on Onur now, atleast not at this stage?
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 00:30
Would be pretty difficult. It is a spring-loaded flap, the nozzle pushes up and throught opening allowing fuel to flow into the gallary. You also have to goto the fueling panel and configure the fuel system for the wing tanks valves being open/shut and the fuel system being in the right mode – in this case, defuel if it came out the pressure fueling valve. 🙂 The fueling panel can be found on the wing-to-body fairing, F/O side of the aircraft just at the wing root.
Interesting info. If they’re spring loaded… what could have caused this fuel leak, in your opinion?
By: Bmused55 - 3rd June 2005 at 00:29
Jesus Sandy, you just can’t help yourself can you?
You design superb liveries but do you have to have an expert opinion on everything?
You may be right, it might be the refuellers fault, or a fault in the aircraft, or even a set of circumstances involving both, but you don’t know, do you? Yet you still pontificate as to the actual cause.
Sorry sandy, but one day your itchy typing finger will get one step too far ahead of your brain and will put you in serious trouble of the legal kind.
Just read what you wrote again….
“The refueler may not have closed the fueling caps properly.”
One day this wild speculation is going to get someone into serious trouble.
Regards,
kev35
And I supose people speculating Misdeeds at Onur are less risky?
I was simply suggesting another possibility, nothing more, nothing less.
By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 17:57
Someone‘s been on a training course…… 😉
By: kev35 - 2nd June 2005 at 09:15
The Refueler may not have closed the fueling caps properly.
Jesus Sandy, you just can’t help yourself can you?
You design superb liveries but do you have to have an expert opinion on everything?
You may be right, it might be the refuellers fault, or a fault in the aircraft, or even a set of circumstances involving both, but you don’t know, do you? Yet you still pontificate as to the actual cause.
Sorry sandy, but one day your itchy typing finger will get one step too far ahead of your brain and will put you in serious trouble of the legal kind.
Just read what you wrote again….
“The refueler may not have closed the fueling caps properly.”
One day this wild speculation is going to get someone into serious trouble.
Regards,
kev35
By: Dazza - 1st June 2005 at 22:05
TC-OAL was at EMA on monday evening still wearing the ‘TRIGEMA’ colour scheme, looked pretty good in the late evening sun too.
-Dazza
By: Bmused55 - 1st June 2005 at 19:13
It happened while the plane was (about to be) pushed back. Refueling had finished already. So from my own, uneducated, guess I would not think the refueller was wrong here.
The Refueler may not have closed the fueling caps properly.
By: tenthije - 1st June 2005 at 18:47
Bad bad coincidence I’d say.
A refueler not doing his job properly. Hardly Onurs fault
It happened while the plane was (about to be) pushed back. Refueling had finished already. So from my own, uneducated, guess I would not think the refueller was wrong here.
By: LBARULES - 1st June 2005 at 18:35
Suppose your right, mind you, I have flown on a very patched up Ryanair 737-200!
By: Flex 35 - 1st June 2005 at 18:34
They won an award from Airbus for the Maintenance of the A321 fleet, a bit of dirt isnt everything, if you thought like that, you would never fly on KLM or Air France 😉
It wasn’t just a bit of dirt, the aircraft generally looked worn from the outside (plenty of patchwork done on the fuselage). If that turned up at the gate I wouldn’t be best pleased, then again I wouldn’t have booked myself a holiday which involves flying on Onur. 😉
If Air France’s or KLM’s aircraft were covered in mould I would still fly on them. 😉
Flex 35
By: LBARULES - 1st June 2005 at 18:13
I’d gladly fly on one of the A321s, I would be a bit sceptical about the A300s, and any other old piece of junk they might have leased in!
They won an award from Airbus for the Maintenance of the A321 fleet, a bit of dirt isnt everything, if you thought like that, you would never fly on KLM or Air France 😉
I think they have just been very unlucky with the timing of this incident, and it couldn’t have possibly come at a worse time.
Put it this way, I would fly Onur over FlyAir or MNG! 😀
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