History of L-4 H "479748" wanted

I think they are:
Bashful = Blyger
Doc = Kloker
Dopey = Toker
Grumpy = Butter
Happy = Glader
Sleepy = Trötter
Sneezy = Prosit
I hope I am right, as this is a bit of useless information I might need one day, to impress a Swedish blonde fairy princess and sweep her off her feet!

😉

Slightly OT – the SAS FK/flying club aircraft in the 1940s and 50s with names from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs:

Saab 91A Safir SE-BNM “Snövit” (Snow White)
Piper Cub SE-ASZ “Butter” (Grumpy)
Piper Cub SE-ATH “Trötter” (Sleepy)
Piper Cub SE-ATW “Glader” (Happy)
Piper Cub SE-ATX “Blyger” (Bashful)
Piper Cub SE-ATY “Toker” (Dopey)
Piper Cub SE-ATZ “Kloker” (Doc)
Stinson 108 SE-BCC “Prosit” (Sneezy)
Ercoupe 415 SE-BNB “Prinsen” (The Prince)
Ercoupe 415 SE-BNC “Jägaren” (The Hunter)

Wishful thinking PL?:)

Swedish names for Snowwhite’s 7 dwarves

I think they are:
Bashful = Blyger
Doc = Kloker
Dopey = Toker
Grumpy = Butter
Happy = Glader
Sleepy = Trötter
Sneezy = Prosit
I hope I am right, as this is a bit of useless information I might need one day, to impress a Swedish blonde fairy princess and sweep her off her feet!

SierraEchoFred, you are absolutely correct. The records from the factory shows “12044” to be the aircraft serial number, and this has somehow gotten confused with the fuselage frame number “11871”.

It seems like the Swedish CAA got the constructors number wrong the day SE-AWL was offically registered…and the fuselage number was quoted instead. Not the first time such a thing has happened regarding Cub’s…

I was aware of SE-AWL belonging to the SAS flying club in Stockholm, but I thought they named their Cubs after Snow-Whites seven dwarfs! Kålle Viking is however a much more impressive name. I would be very interested if you have any photos of SE-AWL in earlier costumes!

The idea of dwarf names used on the Cubs of the SAS FK in Stockholm was droped in ca 1957 – the last one was “Butter” (which dwarf this is in English beats me 😮 ), SE-ASZ. The next Cub purchased by the SAS club was SE-AWL, but this was during 1959-60 placed with Aeroklubben i Göteborg for the benifit to used by SAS FK members in Gothenburg. It was then SE-AWL got nicked Kålle Viking.

SE-AWL at Landskrona in ca 1960. Picture taken by Lars E Lundin.

Scorpion89, it would be great if you could check for 479748 history at the Maxwell archives! Many thanks in advance.

It would mean a lot to me to find out more of SE-AWL´s previous history since my good friend and co-owner of SE-AWL, who was even more interested in aircraft history, unexpectedly passed away this spring. He used to joke that “479748” was the airplane that won the war and he would write a book about it.!

Hans-Uno RIP.

But, if I would now suggest something: If you are to o/h or/and restore the Cub, think about this aircraft genunie history. L-4s in D-day stripes are geting more and more common. Why not preserve a bit of genunie Scania flying history and restore it like a “Ahrenbergare”?

Or like it was with the SAS FK in the picture above?

Hi again Guys,
nice going! SierraEchoFred, you are absolutely correct. The records from the factory shows “12044” to be the aircraft serial number, and this has somehow gotten confused with the fuselage frame number “11871”.

I was aware of SE-AWL belonging to the SAS flying club in Stockholm, but I thought they named their Cubs after Snow-Whites seven dwarfs! Kålle Viking is however a much more impressive name. I would be very interested if you have any photos of SE-AWL in earlier costumes!

Scorpion89, it would be great if you could check for 479748 history at the Maxwell archives! Many thanks in advance.

It would mean a lot to me to find out more of SE-AWL´s previous history since my good friend and co-owner of SE-AWL, who was even more interested in aircraft history, unexpectedly passed away this spring. He used to joke that “479748” was the airplane that won the war and he would write a book about it.

Four flying friends helped honor him by doing a “Missing man”-formation of four Piper Cubs after the funeral with SE-AWL breaking away over the church. It was an emotional moment and beautifully flown. The following link is to a newspaper article, unfortunately in Swedish but featuring a couple of pictures.

http://sydsvenskan.se/lund/article243983.ece

Best regards/ Jörgen

Hi Jorgon,

I have a few other items that I need to have research at Maxwell so I’ll add your aircraft to the list, in the past I’ve found that they hold most of the aircrafts complete records including Units and IRAN records.

I’ll keep you posted when I get the stuff back from Maxwell

Sierra Ecco Fred, interesting point on the changing of the fuselage. I assume you have read it in the Swedish Aviation historical society´s excellent register over “early registrated aircraft in Sweden”. It is however not correct- SE-AWL has the same fuselage serial number that it left the factory with (11871). But a rebuild was done in the fifties, SE-AWL was not airworthy between 1952 to 1958, when she was re-registered. During these years SE-AWL was incidently owned by famed swedish alpine bush-pilot Gunnar “Ghost” Andersson´s company and I have a hunch it might not have been entirely out of action…

Well, acording to photos I’ve got of your Cub I belive that the rear window was done when it was rebuilt by ABA/SAS FK, prior to being restored to the register in August 1958. SE-AWL sported ABA FK-c/s and was in 1959-60 leased to the Aeroklubben i Göteborg and nicked Kålle Viking.

The Swedish CAA quote f/no 11871 as the Cub’s c/n. That is as I gather incorrect, it should be c/n 12044, ex L-4J-PI 44-79748.

Hi guys,
thanks for your inputs. The rear glasing mod could be from the fifties when SE-AWL was recovered or perhaps even from the forties when it was one of the ca 40 L-4´s that Albin Ahrenberg bought as war surplus, dressed up (not very strictly) as civilian J-3´s and then sold on in Sweden, in AWL´s case to “Nordmalings flying club”.

Sierra Ecco Fred, interesting point on the changing of the fuselage. I assume you have read it in the Swedish Aviation historical society´s excellent register over “early registrated aircraft in Sweden”. It is however not correct- SE-AWL has the same fuselage serial number that it left the factory with (11871). But a rebuild was done in the fifties, SE-AWL was not airworthy between 1952 to 1958, when she was re-registered. During these years SE-AWL was incidently owned by famed swedish alpine bush-pilot Gunnar “Ghost” Andersson´s company and I have a hunch it might not have been entirely out of action…

The picture from 1974 was taken in the UK when SE-AWL was on a Europe tour with former owner Bo Danielsson who has recounted numerous colourful stories on the event. For example he was overtaken by a Citroen 2CV when flying in a stiff headwind and he had to use soaring lift to climb a mountainside on his way from Switzerland to Germany on his returntrip!

Thanks Scorpion89 for your kind offer. I do have a copy of the “Individual Aircraft Record Card” (which I got from the Smithsonian archives division), but if there is any additional, preferrably Army documentation that would be most helpful.

Regards/ Jörgen

Nice pic from 1974
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0745813/L/

Hi Jorgen,

Have you sent an inquiry to the USAF Record for aircraft at Maxwell AFB they hold all the records of both USAF and Army Air Corp aircraft. If you like I could pass along a request for you it will take about 6 to 8 weeks to get any information back.

Greetings from a fellow Cub driver!

Interesting rear glazing you have there, not quite J3 but not L4 either. Some local mod I imagine.

Probably got this mod in the late 50s when SE-AWL was rebuild with a new fuselage.

Greetings from a fellow Cub driver!

Interesting rear glazing you have there, not quite J3 but not L4 either. Some local mod I imagine.