HOUSE OKS GUNS IN THE COCKPIT

RE: Here’s an Idea!

Good idea Ja, quite logical.

But why bother with sensible solutions to a problem, if you get to shoot some A-rab (from I-raq or Kew-ate) instead? And somehow stick it to the commies too..

Sorry, I’m being a little fasceitcous, but some of these guys wielding power in the US need to get their act together over airline security. I’m not saying anywhere else in particular is any better, just that given 11/9 the US would reasonably be expected to have better security than say, Australia or Belgium.

No offence meant GD, or anyone else!

RE: Here’s an Idea!

Cmon guys I thought that my idea was kinda cool!

Give me coffee and no-one gets hurt!

RE: Here’s an Idea!

That’s right, damnit! Typical American attitude, shoot first, clean the carcasses up later.

GD1

Here’s an Idea!

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 16-07-02 AT 07:21 AM (GMT)]In my time I have been a security guard and some of the places that I have worked have had a double door system. why not addapt this idea to the planes?

Use a standard locking door to enter the cove (Which is big enough for one person carrying a tray but not for two people, gotta feed the pilots), and then they have to buzz to get into the cockpit. Whilest in the cove, the person who is in there can be identified via a CCTV monitor in the cockpit, and the pilots must then press a button to allow them in, similar to what is used in secured facilities and houses today!

Or you could have the cove just big enough for one person, and a seperate slot for the food, like a pigeon hole.

But I also agree that this is madness, I don’t think that they have really looked into options (Typical American attitude- shoot first and say whoops later, NO OFFENCE). I agree with the TAZAR option, you don’t need to kill anyone, life is far too sacred as it is. Stunning them and restraining them is a far better option, then let the authorities deal with the problems that they have. Lets face it, anyone who does something like this must have some emotional issues that they are affraid to deal with. Hell stick them is a cell with their Mother for six months, just the two of them, and see what that does!

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RE: NRA

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 15-07-02 AT 09:42 PM (GMT)]Mongu,

So, the current definition of a communist is a capitalist with no money and no rifle/machine-gun/grenade launcher?

Someone earlier in this thread mentioned the use of non-lethal weapons aboard aircraft. Would this include things like a tazer? I suppose the idea of low velocity ceramic rounds could be considered, or are they just something I heard of in a movie?

I do prefer the idea of sky marshals to that of arming pilots. After all, the crew have got enough to do in my opinion without having to take on the role of Sheriff.

I just got this image of John Wayne in full Rooster Cogburn gear stepping from the cockpit and shouting at the hijackers “Fill your hands you sons of…..”

Regards,

kev35

RE: NRA

I hope you realise Kev, that we are now both Commies because we don’t like the NRA!

RE: NRA

Mongu,

Just how far could this idea go?

Can’t be the NRA behind this or the airlines would be offering a new service on boarding…

“Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to your lounge. Please avail yourself of the free snacks and beverages and dont forget to pick up your choice of automatic weapon as you board the aircraft. The weapons themselves are free as are the first 500 rounds of ammunition. Children should not feel left out as there are a range of handy pcket sized pistols for them to choose from. Enjoy your flight and remember to deposit the empty cartridge casings in the receptacles provided.”

Regards,

kev35

RE: HOUSE OKS GUNS IN THE ####

Strange isn’t it?

Not enough has been done to increase security in the US (and the actions taken are sometimes good, sometimes crass) yet they seem willing to go to this extreme for “security”

Must be a NRA position!

RE: HOUSE OKS GUNS IN THE COCK

I agree with EGNM….they should use non-leathel weapons instead of live ones. Anyway its sheer madness to have live guns on board…..even if with pilots they still can be turned againts them.

RE: What about the destination

y not use those highpower electric stun gun things – enuff to maim?

RE: What about the destination

Guns and airplanes don’t mix.

This is why (in Europe at least) not even security professionals (like policemen, bodyguards, etc.) have to give their gun unloaded to the captain.

Some kind of gas based weapon could well be an option I believe.

RE: What about the destination

“Firearms and aeroplanes really do not mix“

i toatlly agree, we all know about decompreserisation.

i think that self defence traiing in stuff like marshal arts, etc is much more usfal and safe (ie the plane dosen’t decompress) than guns.

rabie :9

RE: What about the destination

Having a form of defence onboard, I think, is a good idea. However I think firearms are a bad idea. Yes…Decompression….sucicide pilots…..guns getting into the wrong hands etc….

Perhaps the pilots could adopt a Police idea….Gas! (the little cans of (CF?) gas they carry on their belts and can spray in the face of someone to momentarily knock em out!

This isn’t as dangerous as a gun…but again….if it gets in the wrong hands….sucide pilots etc…it could be bad.

Regards

Ben

RE: What about the destination

Michael’s right. If there are four or more hijackers on board they may well overwhelm the crew. In which case you’re only making it easier for the terrorists by having weapons available on board. If they are of the same mind as the terrorists on September 11th, they have only to storm the cockpit and cause the pilots to use their weapons and get into a fight. A fully fuelled and heavily laden aircraft going down over a city shortly after departure due to a firefight on board or a violent struggle with the crew would be an enormous tragedy for those on board and potential victims on the ground – and another ‘victory’ for the terrorists.

Regards,

kev35

RE: What about the destination

I totally agree with what’s being said. They are so many bad points to carrying fire-arms on board commercial aircraft.

If these were not used, it may however make passengers feel slightly more secure and deter would-be hijackers.

On September 11th, weren’t there at least 4 hijackers on each aircraft? If so, how is a single gun and a pilot going to stand any chance again against a gang of people who may have explosives strapped to them?!?

RE: What about the destination

n what happens if the bullet misses at 37,000ft – hole in fuselage = rapid decompression!

RE: What about the destination

I agree it is madness. Firearms and aeroplanes really do not mix. It was only the other day that two American pilots were sacked for reporting for duty drunk – and now we want to give them a gun to play with as well? They say they will receive training in the use of firearms but what will be the rules of engagement? And who will decide when their use is justifiable? Any psychopath who wants to hijack an aircraft just has to be an airline pilot. If this is correct can we expect another wave of airliner involved terrorism as soon as the next wave of terrorists is trained to be an airline pilot? That may not be such a fanciful idea.

I presume the weapons are to be locked aboard the aircraft. When the aircraft is on an international flight, will the weapons be safe during the turnaround of the aircraft? I think this proposal has not been well thought out and I would seriously worry about my own safety when travelling on an aircraft which has armed pilots. An airliner is a potentially lethal enough weapon without the pilots taking on the role of police officer as well.

Regards,

kev35

RE: Additional

VERY, VERY BAD, they must be mad!!

I agree with those said above, plus when one of the pilots goes toilet or exits the cockpit in any way and an intruder gets to the gun.

The whole idea of all the security measures after Sept 11 is top stop weapons getting on to aircraft and now they are simply putting a weapon on the plane themselves!! This is madness!

RE: Additional

How stupid.

1. What if we get another Egypt Air suicide pilot? I can imagine the carnage…

2. If security doors are used there is no need for this anyway.

3. Will they allow foreign aircraft to have guns??

4. General question anyway – what jurisdiction applies to gun use when a US aircraft is outside the US?

Additional

U.S. MOVES TO ARM PILOTS

Plans to allow commerical airline pilots to carry guns in the cockpit
have
been backed by the U.S. House of Representatives. The bill also makes
self-defense training mandatory for flight attendants.

…. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/07/10/cockpit.guns/index.html

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