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How can I find this out?

I am trying to find out what USAF fighter squadrons were stationed at Erding, Germany in the Spring of 1950. Also the aircraft they used.

Any suggestions on how this info can be found would be much appreciated.

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By: ladybegood - 14th August 2011 at 19:34

Looking at my old records I have found out the following for 2 Air Division (pre-runner for USAFE) in Spring 1950 . this is by no means accurate and most certaily not complete

F-80B 22FBS 36FBG Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER (to F-84E around Nov)
F-80B 23FBS 36FBG Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER (to F-84E around Nov)
F-80B 53FBS 36FBG Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER
F-80B 36MS 36M&S Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER
RB-26C 7499S Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER

F-47D 526FBS 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GER (to F-84E around Dec)
T-6F/B-26/F-47D 527FBS 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GERT-33 noted Dec 1950
F-47D 525FS 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GER

C-82A 10TCS 60TCG Rhein-Main AB, GER (not shown as 2AD)
C-82A 11TCS 60TCG Rhein-Main AB, GER (not shown as 2AD)
C-54G 1629ABS Rhein-Main AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 61ABG Rhein-Main AB, GER
C-47D 1965AACS Rhein-Main AB, GER

VC-47A 7167SAMS Wiesbaden AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 60ABG Wiesbaden AB, GER
RB-17G 7499CS Wiesbaden AB, GER

C-47B HQ SQN 85AMG Erding AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 7360ABG Erding AB, GER

L-5 HQ SQN 7030SG Landsberg AB, GER

86FBS started to equip F-84 at Neubiberg around Oct 1950.

Thank you, useful information for researching into further. Much obliged for your post.

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By: FoxVC10 - 14th August 2011 at 10:14

Looking at my old records I have found out the following for 2 Air Division (pre-runner for USAFE) in Spring 1950 . this is by no means accurate and most certaily not complete

F-80B 22FBS 36FBG Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER (to F-84E around Nov)
F-80B 23FBS 36FBG Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER (to F-84E around Nov)
F-80B 53FBS 36FBG Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER
F-80B 36MS 36M&S Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER
RB-26C 7499S Furstenfeldbruck AB, GER

F-47D 526FBS 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GER (to F-84E around Dec)
T-6F/B-26/F-47D 527FBS 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GERT-33 noted Dec 1950
F-47D 525FS 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 86FBG Neubiberg AB, GER

C-82A 10TCS 60TCG Rhein-Main AB, GER (not shown as 2AD)
C-82A 11TCS 60TCG Rhein-Main AB, GER (not shown as 2AD)
C-54G 1629ABS Rhein-Main AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 61ABG Rhein-Main AB, GER
C-47D 1965AACS Rhein-Main AB, GER

VC-47A 7167SAMS Wiesbaden AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 60ABG Wiesbaden AB, GER
RB-17G 7499CS Wiesbaden AB, GER

C-47B HQ SQN 85AMG Erding AB, GER
C-47A HQ SQN 7360ABG Erding AB, GER

L-5 HQ SQN 7030SG Landsberg AB, GER

86FBS started to equip F-84 at Neubiberg around Oct 1950.

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By: ladybegood - 13th August 2011 at 18:27

For what it’s worth, USAF fighters in the region in 1950 would have been limited to just a few types:

North American F-51 Mustang
Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star.

Possibly, F-47 Thunderbolts (but unlikely).

The date is too late for other WWII types and too early for later jets like the F-86.

According to one of my F-84 books, USAFE didn’t reveive its first straight-wing Thunderjet until the summer of 1950. The only mention of Erding in the book is a photo of a crashed Thunderjet being delivered there by truck in 1951. That certainly supports the depot nature of the base.
A SAC escort unit with the jets deployed to Germany in late 1950, but that was to Furstenfieldbruk.

Thanks for looking and the suggestions. F-47’s have been mentioned to me before and am investigating further.

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By: ladybegood - 13th August 2011 at 18:24

Try asking on the website for Scramble,the Dutch enthusiasts site.

Thanks for the suggestion will investigate that.

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By: ladybegood - 13th August 2011 at 18:23

This aircraft was at Erding in 1950.

http://www.aero-web.org/museums/de/dafbhc/42-92841.htm

Thanks for looking.

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By: J Boyle - 13th August 2011 at 14:00

For what it’s worth, USAF fighters in the region in 1950 would have been limited to just a few types:

North American F-51 Mustang
Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star.

Possibly, F-47 Thunderbolts (but unlikely).

The date is too late for other WWII types and too early for later jets like the F-86.

According to one of my F-84 books, USAFE didn’t reveive its first straight-wing Thunderjet until the summer of 1950. The only mention of Erding in the book is a photo of a crashed Thunderjet being delivered there by truck in 1951. That certainly supports the depot nature of the base.
A SAC escort unit with the jets deployed to Germany in late 1950, but that was to Furstenfieldbruk.

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By: scotavia - 13th August 2011 at 10:18

Try asking on the website for Scramble,the Dutch enthusiasts site.

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By: Newforest - 13th August 2011 at 09:57

This aircraft was at Erding in 1950.

http://www.aero-web.org/museums/de/dafbhc/42-92841.htm

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By: Moggy C - 13th August 2011 at 09:45

To scrabble aircraft, in for maintenance, for possible combat again Russian fighters would be precarious.

Agreed. Unlikely to have combat ready aircraft available. Certainly not armed.

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By: ladybegood - 13th August 2011 at 09:16

When you find out you will need to edit the Wiki then.

What is the source of your information that contradicts its use only for maintenance?

Moggy

On 24 March 1950, 3 Czech DC3, landed at Erding having escaped from Czechoslovakia. A detailed account is here:

http://fcafa.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/they-flew-to-exile-1950/

Vit Angetter the pilot of the 1st DC3 to land, explained to Col. Park Holland, the US base commander about the other 2 DC3’s, and US fighter aircraft were scrabbled from Erding. This was seen by Angetter who was a former fighter pilot. They escorted the 3rd DC3, flown by my father, back to Erding and the US fighters also landed at Erding.

To scramble aircraft, in for maintenance, for possible combat again Russian fighters would be precarious.

Also the Czech ex-RAF airmen were initially kept at Erding and talked to the US escort pilots, during that talk it was confirmed their role at Erding was as combat pilots.

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By: Newforest - 13th August 2011 at 08:51

Another clue in the puzzle.

http://usafgermany.com/EB/erding.htm

Black Widows were mothballed at Erding after the war.

In March 1950. three planes were hijacked to Erding from Czechoslovakia.

http://freespace.virgin.net/daj.mipivo/english.htm

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By: Moggy C - 13th August 2011 at 08:04

When you find out you will need to edit the Wiki then.

What is the source of your information that contradicts its use only for maintenance?

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By: ladybegood - 13th August 2011 at 08:02

In March 1950 a USAF fighter unit was based there and it is the aircraft they flew that I am interested in.

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By: Moggy C - 13th August 2011 at 07:53

Originally developed as an Air Depot in the early postwar years, the mission of Erding Air Base (later Station) was to provided depot-level maintenance of USAFE and NATO fighters. With the opening of Châteauroux-Déols Air Base, France in 1953, Erding became a satellite depot.

No based squadrons. Maintenance only it would seem.

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By: ladybegood - 13th August 2011 at 07:48

Thanks for that, but still can’t id the aircraft they used – any suggestions?

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By: T-21 - 12th August 2011 at 19:47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erding_Air_Base with thanks to wikipedia.

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