How can we improve Old Warden?

After seeing both of them together, I prefer the greenhouse one. Looks more classic and in line with the age of the aircraft.

Originally posted by David Burke
Dez- there are a number of differences between Canadian built Chipmunks and British examples. The Canadian examples don’t have leg fairings- the windscreen fame is different -the engines are usually Gipsy Major Mk.1G’s -they use a wooden prop and finally don’t have the anti-spin strakes.
The Shuttleworth machine is British and as such quite different to the Canadian species. There were three Bristol tourer
conversions done which sported bubble canopies and various mods . The only survivor in Europe is G-APOY which is currently in
Norway. Then only other one is in Virginia under rebuild with a friend.
There is another Chipmunk in the U.K in Canadian markings.
At some stage I hope to get Canadian, British and Portugese marked Chipmunks in the air for a photo sortie.

IIRC Canadian ones also had a longer exhaust pipe as well

Originally posted by turbo_NZ
another…

I’m not sure whether I prefer the blown or Greenhouse canopy, I think I’d have to see them together

Airbedane – Glad my pics could have been of assistance.

It is interesting seeing both versions side by side. They are quite different looking.
🙂

Dez- there are a number of differences between Canadian built Chipmunks and British examples. The Canadian examples don’t have leg fairings- the windscreen fame is different -the engines are usually Gipsy Major Mk.1G’s -they use a wooden prop and finally don’t have the anti-spin strakes.
The Shuttleworth machine is British and as such quite different to the Canadian species. There were three Bristol tourer
conversions done which sported bubble canopies and various mods . The only survivor in Europe is G-APOY which is currently in
Norway. Then only other one is in Virginia under rebuild with a friend.
There is another Chipmunk in the U.K in Canadian markings.
At some stage I hope to get Canadian, British and Portugese marked Chipmunks in the air for a photo sortie.

Many thanks AH and t_NZ for the Chipmunk pics, your help is appreciated.

EH – you’re right in what you say, but in practice, those who abuse their DA’s don’t normally keep ’em for too long, so if a pilot holds a DA, then they are normally OK.

W UK, I’ll look forwad to the visit, let me know beforehand, if you can.

Three Magisters – we’ve asked Breighton to send the third Magister to Old Warden for a show, and we await their reply. Regading the other aircraft, as WarburdUK hints and as I’ve said earlier, it’s all down to cost, and running these aircraft becomes more expensive each year.

Thank you all for clearing up the Chipmunk Issue!!!!

Some people do get piccy don’t they :rolleyes:

Hi Ewan,
It’s also going to be down to cost as well, with insurances going through the roof, this year is going to be interesting to see who flies what & where! OW will only be able to buy In what they can afford. It would make logistic sense to share as many ‘acts’ with another show as this would help to cut costs.
BTW, Warbird air display liability insurance has just about doubled for 2004.
Cheers………….

I think Tony’s point here was the lack of variety at OW shows, caused partly by CAA concerns over invited pilots (rather than regular Shuttleworth ones) flying occasional displays in visiting aircraft

Sorry to be picky, but this is not so! A Civilian display pilot has to hold a valid CAA Display Authorisation to fly at ‘public’ flying displays in the UK. If he/she has a valid DA, then he/she can fly at any public flying display that wants to book him (or her).

However, who gets to fly at Shuttleworth (or Duxford et al) is really down to the Flying Display Director (and no doubt the Chief Pilot also gets a vote). The CAA have no input as to who flies in what shows…..so long as they are correctly qualified.

Right Airbedane?

Hi Airbedane,

Just thought I’d throw my three penny worth in,
Unfortunately I have visited OW just the one time as a guest, but what struck me was the fantastic ‘Garden party’ atmosphere which was a pleasant change from the ‘gung ho’ atmosphere of many other air displays around. Badminton Air day had the same type of atmosphere & is sadly missed!

One thing I have against most air displays both here & abroad is the commentary, Why do these guys have to go on & on like their life depends on it? A little info enhances the display, In jokes & rivet counting is boring to most of the attendees & gets in the way of a great sounding engine and can detract from the display.

I remember one year at the RNLAF open day standing next to the commentators post & asking him to shut up while our Spitfire was displaying! He understood!
Cheers………

I must try harder to make it to OW this year!!

one more…..forgive me for stepping in the way of this beautiful aircraft…:D

another…

Hi Airbedane…

I took a few pics yesterday (see my Wellington Aero Club Anniv Pics thread) and there was a Chippy (well 2) there with a blown canopy.

Here’s some pics

Following on from another thread, instead of getting loads of external acts which cost loads how about a few and having really unique formations eg getting the Bristol F2b’s together, a gathering of loads of ww1 aircraft, maybe hawker furys etc. I remember a few years ago i went to an event that had the last 3 flying maggies in the air together which was a bit special.:)

Thanks for the replies, it makes a change to have someone answer the questions. I think it is good that the recent purchases have been of more ‘robust’ aircraft that can fly when the weather isn’t perfect. It is good to see the collection also thinking about non british aircraft as well. Personally in the future i would like to see a Harvard , Stearman or maybe ME108 added both of which are classics and up to a bit of wind and light rain and able to do aerobatics, which most of the aircraft there are not allowed to do ( for good reason) though it would be nice to see the Sea Hurricane do a loop and a roll occaisionally. Also what happened to the arangement with Duxford operaters as far as i remember it was if you send us something we will give you something back. It worked well if i remember rightly. personally i like seeing things in different colour schemes, so the more varied the better.

“Dez,

The Chipmunk canopy is British, but the colour scheme is Canadian – the Canadian version had bubble canopy – can anyone help with a picture.

Airbedane”

Et Voila! One Canadian Chippie…

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=117755&WxsIERv=RGUgSGF2aWxsYW5kIERIQy0xIENoaXBtdW5r&WdsYXMg=VW50aXRsZWQ%3D&QtODMg=SW4gRmxpZ2h0&ERDLTkt=Q2FuYWRhIC0gUXVlYmVj&ktODMp=T2N0b2JlciAzLCAxOTk4&BP=0&WNEb25u=Um9iZXJ0IEZhc3NvbGQ%3D&xsIERvdWdsY=Q0YtUlJJ&MgTUQtODMgKE=T3ZlciB0aGUgZWFybHkgZmFsbCBmb2xpYWdlIGluIHRoZSBoZWF2aWx5IGZvcmVzdGVkIEdhdGluZWF1IGhpbGxzIG9mIHRoZSBHYXRpbmVhdSBQYXJrIGp1c3Qgbm9ydGggb2YgT3R0YXdhLiBUaGUgcGFyayBpbmNsdWRlcyB0aGUgQ2FtcCBGb3J0dW5lIHNraSBoaWxscy4%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=ODkz&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMC0xMC0zMQ%3D%3D&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes

Dez,

The Chipmunk canopy is British, but the colour scheme is Canadian – the Canadian version had bubble canopy – can anyone help with a picture.

Airbedane

Originally posted by Buddy Boy
I’m another one that hasn’t actually been to OW. However, this thread has persuaded me to visit this year. The clash with DX works out quite well, as it’s a bit of a treck to get down, so I can do both in one weekend!!!

I suggest you make the effort as you will certainly will not be dissapointed. The OW style of shows is very much a step back in time which is one of the things that is so good about them. I’m sure you will enjoy the experience

Originally posted by JDK
Hi Mike,
Point taken. However, if you like aviation, if you want to show someone what vintage aviation can be about in a garden party picnic atmosphere, Old Warden is unbeatable. Duxford is great, Hendon, the Science Museum fill a role, etc, The Real Aeroplane Co at Breighton are doing a great job, but the best place to see history fly is Old Warden – no argument, no caviats.

Given the choce between Old Warden (admittedly on a nice weather day!) and anywhere ele, there’s no choice for me.

Each to thir own of course, but you can see where my money lies!

Cheers

Actually I’d never thought of it like that I must try to persuade him again, if that fails I’ll go on my own

Thats okay like yourself i didn’t want my comments to be mis-interpreted or seen as a moan!!

Sorry to appear ‘stupid’ but what is it about the Chipmunk that makes it not authentic….:confused: