How do people obtain Flight Passenger Numbers

why?

I didn’t realise I had to get your permission!?!?

Seriously though, it was just to get a rough idea of how good a route was doing – no guarantee of profitability of the service, but still useful to know. In a similar vein, I spent almost the whole of summer 1994 going to MAN twice a week for 8 hours plus, and worked out back then that something had to happen with regard to a nrew runway and/or expanding the peak period as I was coming up with anything up to 50 movements an hour up to 10am on a runway capacity limit of 42 per hour.

LG carry alot of passengers MAN-LUX and its mainly to do with how well DL are doing on their JFK-DUB. Its always packed so everday they reroute about 12 passengers on the JFK-MAN flight and send them onwards with LG. Their schedule has changed for the winter making this possible.

However, I’ve got to admit that in the mid 1990s, at the quiet periods at MAN, I used to count the number of people going from gate to aircraft.

why?

6 from Switzerland yea, but how many to Switzerland on the outbound leg with the same aircraft?

Wouldn’t do much for future bookings if each company cancelled flights willy nilly when they were running on poor loads either…

For the August 2005 summer meet, I flew London Heathrow to Manchester and back again with British Airways. The first trip was on the 757-200 and had about 25 passengers on board. The returning A320-200 had only 9 passengers on board.

I’m guessing British Airways would have made a small loss on each of these flights.

well 6 i would of thought the flight would be cancelled.6 to switzerland

6 youd think it just wouldnt fly the route.though GVA would have more people on board.

Care to explain your theory?

If you see PAX number quoted in a trip report the author probably just overheard or asked an FA. You often hear the FAs telling each other how many are on bored, and if I miss that then sometimes I will just ask.

is that good or bad,doesent sound too good.12.

over a 4 month summer this year, the MAN-LUX service attracted about 14 passengers per service; how many were travelling MAN-DUB and how many DUB-LUX I don’t know. Apparently the route is under threat and would have been stopped but for an upturn in traffic in October.

6 youd think it just wouldnt fly the route.though GVA would have more people on board.

Its operated by a 50 seater ERJ 145 I think, so 35 isnt that bad a load really. I was on a BACON flight BHX to GVA on Sunday that just had 6 people on board.

is that good or bad,doesent sound too good.12.

I work for a handling agent and I have access to loads for flights we handle throughout our network.

Like today on the WW flight from ORk-BHX there was 98 passengers or on todays Luxair flight from DUB-MAN-LUX there was 23 passengers getting on in DUB and 12 getting on in MAN.

I *think* some travel agents (maybe only internal ones eg working for BA) are able to see the fare availability for a flight so it will show the different ticketing levels and then how many tickets in that bracket are left. That would then give an idea of how full the flight was.

An example could look something like this:
A 0
B 0
C 31
F 10
J 5
Y 1
G 4
A/C = 737-400 (100 Pax)

Do the maths and you’ll see that 49 seats have been sold and so 51 remain available.
I hope that kind of makes sense, as I said this 1/2 guesswork, no doubt someone can correct me :p

Maybe they just count them…?

Some might be working for the handling agent of the airline concerned whilst other people could be breaking the law by listening in on various radio frequencies. However, I’ve got to admit that in the mid 1990s, at the quiet periods at MAN, I used to count the number of people going from gate to aircraft. Ahh, the bygone days of actually having a decent position to spot from the terminal areas.

55 what? Passengers? Maybe they just count them…?