How many have gone?

RE: How many have gone?

I’m interested in the financial viability of airlines.

I wonder if anyone has done a quick survey of the financial reports of major airlines for comparison? – Balance Sheet strength, cash flow position etc…

RE: How many have gone?

Sobelair is still flying, mainly because they have contracts with big travel agencies like Thomas Cook.

RE: How many have gone?

I think Sobelair still flying, last thing i heard was that TUI wasn’t to buy Sobelair and the pilots of Sobelair were planning to buy it theirselves.

RE: How many have gone?

While Sabena have unforunately gone, and DAT has become SN Brussels Airlines, I believe that Sobelair, the charter division of Sabena, remained intact. I assume they are still flying?
Fly with proper Belgian airlines.

RE: How many have gone?

Some other stuff

Sabena -> Delta Air Transport -> SN Brussels Airlines
Citybird -> Birdy Airlines (kind of, the directors of Citybird are starting Birdy Airlines, this is just the name of the airline which will operate the A330 flights to Africa of SN Brussels Airlines)

RE: How many have gone?

Sorry everyone – I made a mistake with my last message. All of the airlines I wrote down were not all bankrupt airlines – some of them are just names which have dissapeared

e.g Crossair and Swissair = Swiss Air Lines
Air Liberte and AOM = AirLib
Virgin Sun = First Choice took over Virgin Holidays but not the airline
Balair CTA = Belair
Impulse = Qantas Link
T.W.A and T.W.E = Taken over by American Airlines

Sorry for the inaccurate information
Dan777

RE: How many have gone?

Too right, ANSETT was bleeding internally long before Sept.11, but like Ja said it was a shock – usually is to the public. Has SWISS AIR gone? I thought they were getting the government bail out they needed.

Regards, Glenn.

RE: How many have gone?

well,

Swissair Asia were they really an airline in their own right?

Crossair didn’t go bust, they have changed their name to swiss, and absorbed 50% of the SR aircraft.

Balair CTA was Swissair’s charter airline, and was run as a seperate entity from Swissair. They have also only changed their name, as Swiss Tour Operator Hotelplan underwrote the insurance and fuel, which was what forced SR out of business.

RE: How many have gone?

This is not totaly accurate.

Air Liberte and AOM merged in 1999. The new airline ( AirLiberte)
filed for bankrupcy on last year after Swissair fiasco which never
transferred the promissed 400M$.

A new airline has been created from the ashes with anew name (Airlib)
and a new color scheme. They are still flying (so far) .

RE: How many have gone?

Monster: you are quiet correct, it was a shock though. The question is rather miss leading, I admit, but I wanted to know what a/l have gone since 11/09/01 not only due to the incident but for any reason!

“We the unknowing who have been doing so much for so long with so little, now attempt to do the impossible with nothing”!

RE: How many have gone?

Ansett was damned long before Sept 11 which had little impact onm Ansett at all
TWA was sold before sept 11 to AA also

RE: How many have gone?

These are the airlines which have gone since 20th September 2001 but I don’t know which ones are related to September 11th :

Air Liberte
AOM French Airlines
Gill Airways
Citybird
Royal Air Cambodge
Air Europa Express
Virgin Sun
ALM
Ladeco
Balair CTA
Sabena
Canada 3000
Fly FTI
Impulse
South Atlantic Airways
Eurosun (Turkey)
Axon Airlines
Metrojet
Trans World Airlines (T.W.A)
Trans World Express (T.W.E)
TransBrasil
British World Airlines
Air Alma
Air Afrique
Ansett Australia
Awair
Crossair/Swissair/Swissair Asia

Regards
Dan777

RE: How many have gone?

Sabena
Ansett
AOM/Air Liberte (not sure)
Gill Airways
Cananda 3000
Sun Country
Swissair

RE: How many have gone?

Let’s not forget Swissair

Also, British World – though not sure if that was linked with 9/11.

Gill Airways also in the UK bit the dust.

Manx Airlines was grounded for over a week following cancellation of insurance; the UK gov’t eventually agreed to become insurer of last resort (as with every other UK carrier) and they then took the skies again.