How many types have been lost?

The Japanese took a serious pounding towards the end and most material was utterly destroyed. The remaining was used as last effort weapons. Everything that could fly, was used untill it fell out of the sky.

1. As you say: the pacific might still turn up a few perls.

2. So the Americans did get a ki46-2. Is anything known about its end?

as you said japan took a real pounding but if you look at the post war pics taken during the early days of occupation alot of really intresting stuff survived only to be burnt:mad:.

we can only hope that the pacific leaders see reason and release these aircraft to be restored and put under cover(i know that they need to feed there people is more important)as the battle field tourism wont survive much longer as when some one hurts them selves on these decaying planes they will probably be scrapped:mad:.
there ais a very historic j1n1 in the solomans that needs saving it’s one of the two field modified night figher’s

as for the ki 46-2 as far as i know it was scrapped possibly at clark field along with the raiden and ki44,n1k1and other’s one of the taic collection a ki43 survived only to be ordered scrapped in the 60’s.

this beauty was tested why didnt they save it:mad:

its my understanding that nothing is to be done with said fuselage as it is on loan from a scrapyard, the woman (i believe owning it) said that it could be put on display but not restored.

correct me if im wrong as i may be totally wrong here

Good to see that some substantial remains remain! Now wouldn’t that make a great restoration project rather than yet another ……

i think you’ll find that a fairly whole brigand fuselage is at kemble 🙂

Not much left of the Bristol Brigand / Buckingham / Buckmaster types – is there a rear fuselage preserved somewhere?

Also no surviving Blackburn Botha.

The Japanese took a serious pounding towards the end and most material was utterly destroyed. The remaining was used as last effort weapons. Everything that could fly, was used untill it fell out of the sky.

1. As you say: the pacific might still turn up a few perls.

2. So the Americans did get a ki46-2. Is anything known about its end?

yep i meant the ki46-2 variant the most produced and used version and yet no known surviver.
i forgot about the frances at the nasm(paul garber collection)
and i didnt know about the willow in Indonesia:o.
then i’ll add
ki 83
ki 93
ki102 randy.
all experimental
a6m2k
n1k1 the mid wing george
the odd thing with japanese survivors is the number of oddball survivor (the j7w1 and j5n tenra parts for instance) but the important stuff(except for most models of zero) are mainly non existent (bettys,nell’s babs etc).
it would be great to see the south pacific turn up a few more rarities but even if they exist i doubt we’ll see them in museums:mad:
ps this is the dinah i’d love to see

paul
does anyone know of the do335 replica being built in germany ?

I seem to remember that someone was building a TA 152 replica (non flying) a while back. a small picture appeared in flypast. It must have been over 10 years ago though.

you can cross the frances, willow and dinah off the list there at least

the dinah is at RAFM cosford
the Frances with the paul garber collection and the willow at a museum in indonesia

there are many more axis aircraft in preservation than i could believe!!!

see here

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/

cheers

Ben

The Cosford Dinah is a ki 46-III. I think Oz Rb Fan wants the ki 46-II on the list.

i think you can cross the ki 27 off this list
http://www.j-aircraft.com/relics/johan/nate.htm
but you can add
ki 46-11 how could there not be a surviver of the best looking and widest used dinah version
ki 10 perry
ki 48 lily
p1y1 frances
a6m2n rufe
k5y1 willow
h6k mavis
ca 15
ca 11 woomera
p 43 lancer
spitful
seafang

you can cross the frances, willow and dinah off the list there at least

the dinah is at RAFM cosford
the Frances with the paul garber collection and the willow at a museum in indonesia

there are many more axis aircraft in preservation than i could believe!!!

see here

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/

cheers

Ben

We have to add the largest aircraft (AFAIK), that actually flew
during WWII : The Me 323, only a main spar can be found at the
Luftwaffenmuseum (airforce museum) Berlin/Gatow .

Considering how many of the later variants still exist, if we go to the original

North American Mustang Mk.1 – no US equivalent Model produced.
North American Mustang Mk.1A/P-51

Certainly there are A-36s, P-51As, Bs, Cs, Ds and so on surviving, but none of the RAF Allison engined Mustangs survived, not even any major components. Tis a pity given the sterling service they performed with the Army Co-operation Command and low level Tactical Reconnaissance Squadrons of 2TAF from 1942 until 1945.

Without them, the later R-R powered versions may never have been. Consider that.

Wow, an intact Ki27…That was reportedly one of the nicest-flying aircraft of the WWII period…surely a perfect candidate for borrowing/re-creation a la the Willow Grove Me262! I had no idea a Ki27 had been found, let alone recovered, conserved and displayed. Many thanks for that link.

Quite right about the other Japanese types: I knew the few I listed were the tip of the iceberg…

S.

Interesting, if slightly depressing, topic!

Re the Ta152, I think the Smithsonian have at least part of one in storage…I could be mistaken though.

Already mentioned are the Stirling, Whirlwind and Whitley; whether the Whirly is “major” (having equipped only one squadron) is debatable, but the two bombers certainly played a substantial role…

Not quite a true wartime type, but the Hornet is such a gorgeous design I’ve got to cite it anyway; and didn’t the prototype fly before war’s end?

Axis types, as has been noted, fared even worse than their Allied counterparts…

Ju188, 288, 388

Do17, 215, 217

Hs129

He70, 112

G4M “Betty”

B5N “Kate”

A5M “Claude”

Ki27 “Nate”

Ki44 Shoki “Tojo”

…and a slew of others from “the other side”. Then there are the French types, only a tiny handful of fighter types having survived, with a Bloch light bomber getting the chop as late as the seventies…

S.

i think you can cross the ki 27 off this list
http://www.j-aircraft.com/relics/johan/nate.htm
but you can add
ki 46-11 how could there not be a surviver of the best looking and widest used dinah version
ki 10 perry
ki 48 lily
p1y1 frances
a6m2n rufe
k5y1 willow
h6k mavis
ca 15
ca 11 woomera
p 43 lancer
spitful
seafang

Not quite a true wartime type, but the Hornet is such a gorgeous design I’ve got to cite it anyway; and didn’t the prototype fly before war’s end?

S.

Yes, the first flights were made in July 1944, nearly 1 year before the end of WW2. It was designed as a long range fighter for the pacific theatre, and was planned to be in Squadrons for the end of 1945. It was on track to achieve this, but fortunately for all concerned, the war ended sooner, and the development of the Hornet was eased off a little allowing it into Squadron use by May 1946 in the UK.

Its unlikely USN will allow a recovery – unfortunatly!

http://www.nwrain.net/~newtsuit/recoveries/tbd-1/tbd004.htm

I did say B-32, but good catch on the Seahawk.
Come to think of it, the Seamew also may be extinct.
I’ve never been to Pensacola so I’m not quite sure what they have there.

Add the TBD Devastator – unless someone finally will pull that one up from underwater.

Ryan

Two to add for American non-survivors that actually saw WWII service:
Curtis SC-1 Seahawk- single seat, single float scout.
B-32 Dominator. Saw limited Pacfic Service.

I did say B-32, but good catch on the Seahawk.
Come to think of it, the Seamew also may be extinct.
I’ve never been to Pensacola so I’m not quite sure what they have there.

Several thousand Gotha Go 145 were built and only a fuselage frame survives today..

Thats a good candidate. 1182 build and 2 surviving airframes (both in bad condition) – one in Bodø, Norway and one in Berlin, Germany.

Several thousand Gotha Go 145 were built and only a fuselage frame survives today..