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By: TEXANTOMCAT - 7th April 2005 at 13:39

oh :p

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By: italian harvard - 7th April 2005 at 09:53

well….custodian then…..!

AM I??????? 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

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By: TEXANTOMCAT - 7th April 2005 at 09:22

Am I?? 😀 😀 😀

Alex

well….custodian then…..!

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By: italian harvard - 7th April 2005 at 09:17

Alex (Harvard II and Harvard IV owner)…

Am I?? 😀 😀 😀

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By: DazDaMan - 7th April 2005 at 08:27

Would this one work for Patty’s Sea Fury??

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I seem to remember he was after one like mine, or at a pinch one from a Harvard.

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By: LoneStar Merlin - 7th April 2005 at 05:18

Would this one work for Patty’s Sea Fury??

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By: Rocketeer - 6th April 2005 at 21:06

If it’s helpful, I believe the marking ‘CGC1286’ indicates this grip was made in Canada.

Not necessarily! I will check my collection

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By: TEXANTOMCAT - 6th April 2005 at 17:32

Yep both the IV and IIB were built by Canadian Car & Foundary and Noorduuyn respectively…in Canada…

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By: Whitley_Project - 6th April 2005 at 17:31

If it’s helpful, I believe the marking ‘CGC1286’ indicates this grip was made in Canada.

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By: TEXANTOMCAT - 5th April 2005 at 19:30

Alex (Harvard II and Harvard IV owner) is right – its a Harvard IIB grip – almosty certain of it – remember they copied the Hurricane grip to cast the Harvard type…. Mikes is a Harvard MkIV grip – i must admit i prefer the earlier type…

(I put my grip on the forum a few months ago and a helpful forumite confirmed its id for me – have since spent ages studying the differences cos i need another one!)

TT (Helpfully, a T-6 owner which didnt have a spade grip at all!)

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By: italian harvard - 5th April 2005 at 15:57

Hey guys
I don’t know if its original but here is the spade grip on our harvard.
Regards Mike

that’s the spade grip for the harvard 4, lacking the rubber cover on the loop itself, and has the typical bakelite switch for the intercom. Dont think was the same for the Harvard 2, which was meant as shooting trainer.

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By: Mark12 - 5th April 2005 at 15:23

Is this the same type as fitted to the Sea Fury?

Not on this occasion Mike.

The Seafury uses the electric ‘D’ type grip as on the very last Seafire 47.

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By: crystal lakes - 5th April 2005 at 14:56

spade grip

Hey guys
I don’t know if its original but here is the spade grip on our harvard.
Regards Mike

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By: Rocketeer - 5th April 2005 at 13:46

Having had several of these spade grips through my collection over the years, the Canadian Harvard was, as I recall, markedly heavier due to the casting being in aluminium – good for corrosion if weight not a problem. The fighter units however were lighter being cast in a Magnesium alloy. Light, but prone to ‘fizz’ alarmingly with corrosion unless very well treated and maintained.

My money is still on this unit being from a Harvard, dull grey finish, external route of pneumatic pipes and the lack of a brake lever or fitting.

Mark

The routing is entirelyfine for a Hurricane. (Or Harvard come to think of it!) Harvards do tend to have the gun tubes bent towards the column part tho’.

Canadian grips can be mag alloy but are generally heavier castings (more metal) and not as ‘pretty’. I was told that Canadian grips were stored seperate of brake levers, catches and associated posts…..to allow them to be rapidly drawn from stores and fitted to a multitude of types.

AH2040 are fitted with the bowden cable guide (as is the Ebay one which could easily be fitted with a brake lever post, lever, catch etc).
To summarise, the Ebay grip is a nice example, unfitted (no doubt), I cannot see any corrosion and more than suitable for a Hurricane (or Harvard).
Unfortunately (for you!) I could go on all day about this subject.
As Mark12 will know, the Spitfire had the tubes passing through the bottom of the grip stock to allow them to pass elegantly through the stock/v piece (the yoke).
The Ebay example is actually cheap!!
Nice grip! I have one spare too which is available for swapsies!!

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By: JonathanF - 5th April 2005 at 11:51

Ah right, I must have had it backwards. I assumed the dull and pitted (or should that be ‘cratered’?!) one I saw was magnesium. I also went by the post in this thread: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29475&highlight=magnesium But then a colleague’s Typhoon grip is also quite dull and black painted if I recall.

So my agreement was based on a good deal less experience, and on different reasons!

J

Having had several of these spade grips through my collection over the years, the Canadian Harvard was, as I recall, markedly heavier due to the casting being in aluminium – good for corrosion if weight not a problem. The fighter units however were lighter being cast in a Magnesium alloy. Light, but prone to ‘fizz’ alarmingly with corrosion unless very well treated and maintained.

My money is still on this unit being from a Harvard, dull grey finish, external route of pneumatic pipes and the lack of a brake lever or fitting.

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By: Dave Homewood - 5th April 2005 at 11:08

Cheers Mark.

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By: Mark12 - 5th April 2005 at 10:47

Mark12,

Which film/show were those Spitfire flays made for? Are they from ‘A Perfect Hero”?

Dave,

“Foyles War” a major TV WWII/police series production.

Filmed at RAF Halton last year.

Google.

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By: Dave Homewood - 5th April 2005 at 10:28

Mark12,

Which film/show were those Spitfire flays made for? Are they from ‘A Perfect Hero”?

And Rob, what’s the story of the Messersplat?

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By: Mark12 - 5th April 2005 at 08:07

You don’t stand a chance whilst you’ve got those oil drums propping your spits up.

We’ll be alright as long as there is not a crosswind!

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By: Mark12 - 5th April 2005 at 08:05

Not conclusively, but having handled one in my Swordfish grip search, that really looks like the dull, corroded magnesium casting of the Canadian (Harvard) version to me (as informed by this forum!), not the aluminium of the ‘proper’ Hurricane/Swordfish AH2040. Quite badly corroded unless my eyes deceive.

Having had several of these spade grips through my collection over the years, the Canadian Harvard was, as I recall, markedly heavier due to the casting being in aluminium – good for corrosion if weight not a problem. The fighter units however were lighter being cast in a Magnesium alloy. Light, but prone to ‘fizz’ alarmingly with corrosion unless very well treated and maintained.

My money is still on this unit being from a Harvard, dull grey finish, external route of pneumatic pipes and the lack of a brake lever or fitting.

Mark

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