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Hurricane Z5207 and Gladiator N5719

I have been looking at a website (http://www.retroair.co.uk) that lists two projects.

Hurricane Z5207 on rebuild, is a MkIIb from Russia.

Gladiator N5719 is the other project.

Does anyone know any more about these projects?

The company are apparently contracted to maintain the BBMF Merlin’s, so I am sure some one out there knows more about them.

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By: cotteswold - 20th December 2009 at 20:28

I’ve tried the Retroair link in the past & have got nowhere.

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By: RMAllnutt - 20th December 2009 at 20:03

Gladiator mkII N5719 was part of the second coming of 263 Squadron in Norway, 1940.
The following information is gleaned from something I copied a while ago – for research purposes – from a website devoted to biplanes in WWII, which now seems to have gone walkabout.
23/5/40
The remaining Gladiators arrived from HMS Furious. The number of Gladiators at Bardufoss now stood at fourteen. During the afternoon Sgt Whall, in N5719, engaged and shot down a Do17 after a dogfight lasting some twenty-five minutes. He then ran out of fuel and had to take to his parachute, arriving back at Bardufoss some time later.

Air Britain N serials has the w/o date as 22/5/40.

The Hurricane is one of those taken to Russia by HMS Argus as part of 151 Wing in 1941, but you have probably already seen –
http://www.retroair.co.uk/projecthurryz.htm

As to how they got to where they are now… (Was there not a group rebuilding another ex-Norway Gladiator wreck in Gloucestershire, and another being rebuilt from wreckage actually in Norway – being different from N5641 in the RNorAF Museum? Or am I dreaming it all? Probably.)

Flood.

There seems to be a slight conflict with the demise of N5719… and pilot. The link below seems to tie the date in with the Air Britain records as well… sadly, the pilot on this occasion, Michael Alexander Craig-Williams, perished with his aircraft. http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/hogfjellet.html

I do recall though that there was a multi-country Gadiator restoration deal that had one aircraft being donated to, and rebuilt by RetroTrack, N5719 I presume, in return for work carried out on another machine for the Norwegians. Something also rings a bell that the National War Museum in Malta was involved too…. getting a set of wings for “Faith”.

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By: cotteswold - 20th December 2009 at 17:27

The Z5207 trail keeps breaking up – for me!

But this seems to be the goal?

“Also lurking in Classic Aero’s hangar at Thruxton Airport are what look like two children’s climbing frames. These are the fuselages of two Hawker Hurricanes, which the company will have restored to flying condition in the next three or four years. There are currently only eight flying Hurricanes in the world, and while there are more Spitfires, the numbers are still low”

“Also lurking in Classic Aero’s hangar at Thruxton Airport are what look like two children’s climbing frames. These are the fuselages of two Hawker Hurricanes, which the company will have restored to flying condition in the next three or four years. There are currently only eight flying Hurricanes in the world, and while there are more Spitfires, the numbers are still low”.

“Phil Lawton who is currently rebuilding Z5207 – as flown from ‘Argus’ by one Sgt Anson on 07 September 1941 – and confidently expects it to be in the air before the end of 2010. The rebuild….. “

But I love this one – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1237180/THE-WIDER-VIEW-Three-years-making-boys-dream–ultimate-home-model-aeroplane.html

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By: low'n'slow - 27th October 2009 at 11:03

Try http://retrotrackandair.com/

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By: cotteswold - 27th October 2009 at 10:41

Help, please – I just get a list of links in Retroair..??

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By: Flood - 9th September 2003 at 00:56

Gladiator mkII N5719 was part of the second coming of 263 Squadron in Norway, 1940.
The following information is gleaned from something I copied a while ago – for research purposes – from a website devoted to biplanes in WWII, which now seems to have gone walkabout.
23/5/40
The remaining Gladiators arrived from HMS Furious. The number of Gladiators at Bardufoss now stood at fourteen. During the afternoon Sgt Whall, in N5719, engaged and shot down a Do17 after a dogfight lasting some twenty-five minutes. He then ran out of fuel and had to take to his parachute, arriving back at Bardufoss some time later.

Air Britain N serials has the w/o date as 22/5/40.

The Hurricane is one of those taken to Russia by HMS Argus as part of 151 Wing in 1941, but you have probably already seen –
http://www.retroair.co.uk/projecthurryz.htm

As to how they got to where they are now… (Was there not a group rebuilding another ex-Norway Gladiator wreck in Gloucestershire, and another being rebuilt from wreckage actually in Norway – being different from N5641 in the RNorAF Museum? Or am I dreaming it all? Probably.)

Flood.

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