Hypervelocity missiles question

Yes Pantsir’s max altitude is of 10 km, i have some gif charts on its speed and engagement capability compared with VT-1 forgot where i got those from, most likely from the maufacturer’s brochure.

I thought u meant tunguska carried sosna guess i misread it anyway they are designed by the same company so yes 9m311 is related to Sosna, it uses 9M311 propellant and two stage design but its slight larger to accomdate its gudiance system.

The rocket boosters used in SOSNA and other similar weapons are pre existing standard booster rockets. I have seen them advertised in the mid 80s as standard booster options for meteorolgical rockets… different sizes and shapes for different stage configurations and payloads.

Srbin posted somewhere here about the Pantsir having a ceiling of only 6,000m and for higher targets needing larger medium range systems. I have since found an online source for the new Pantsir-S1-O Air Defense Missile System with a 10,000m ceiling and longer range… 18km but most importantly more passive operation using FLIR/TI technology.

Try this link: http://www.shipunov.com/eng/zencom/panz_o.htm

The brochure is from early 2003 when are those images of urs dated blackcat? Difference appearance could be as a result of russians tweaking sosna design which is still pretty much underdevolopment.

Or it could be the difference between the dummy rounds used for training and shows and the actual round…

It was from IMDS-2003, June 2003, Saint Petersburg , so hopefully this is the latest version and the earlier one was a pre 2003 design

and the IMDS 2005 is just coming, so y not a thread for it now itself??…

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=444716#post444716

This is the picture I have of SOSNA, which shows it slightly differently.

i assume u got the photo from the sosna brochure because i have exact photo as well cant believe i didnt see the difference. The brochure is from early 2003 when are those images of urs dated blackcat? Difference appearance could be as a result of russians tweaking sosna design which is still pretty much underdevolopment.

This is the picture I have of SOSNA, which shows it slightly differently.

i have sosna brochure a pdf file and photo of it looks exactly like that. Anyway Palma’s AO-18KD uses the GSh-6-30KD gun which is updated version of GSh-6-30K used by kashtan. KD has muzzle velocity of 960 m/s for HE and 1,100 m/s for armor piercing rds as opposed to 890 m/s for HE by the GSh-6-30K gun. That brings its muzzle velocity pretty close to GAU-8. GSH-G-30KD is also used by kashtan-M.

My pictures of SOSNA look different to yours Blackcat… will post them soon.
Regarding the Palma… it looks really cool.
It is difficult to tell but the two 6 barrel 30mm cannon have longer guns than other Russian aerial or naval gatling 30mm cannon. They are called AO-18KD and have a normal muzzle velocity of 1,100m/s.

I am looking at a picture of SOSNA right now and although it shares the fat booster slim missile layout of the Grison missiles it is not related. Equally the fact that it is laser guided marks it as different from the Grison too.

Amusing that you say it is “JUST” a cheap… Would it be better if it was expensive? How many SAMs is enough? Is cheap a good thing or a bad thing?

I never suggested that SOSNA was used by Tunguska or CADS-N-1.

I thought u meant tunguska carried sosna guess i misread it anyway they are designed by the same company so yes 9m311 is related to Sosna, it uses 9M311 propellant and two stage design but its slight larger to accomdate its gudiance system. It was designed as cheap replacement since russia couldnt afford to replace all its AAA/Short ranged SAM systems with Tunguska/Pantsyrs because of the radar/EO guidance for 9M311 is pretty expensive along with power requirement. As for it being good or bad trailer mounted sosna probably costs no more than few hundred thousand dollars as opposed tunguska which costs around 3 million so even thou it is better than it russia can make it up in quantity. Yeah palma looks nice i believe its replacement to the ak-630.

and the one and only 🙂 – Handsome Plama

and the Kashtan missile down below that

here are some pictures of the sonsa missile which is being used in the cool Russian Robocop PALMA – Love its Looks!

put on a Jacket and black glasses on that Palma – not to leave the Russian Star on the chest – and it wud put to shame any hollywood stuffs that can come up!

Sosna is just cheap Laser guided version of 9M311 (missile used in Tunguska and SA-N-11) its not used by either of those systems. Its meant for towed sosna ADS and for palma naval system.

I am looking at a picture of SOSNA right now and although it shares the fat booster slim missile layout of the Grison missiles it is not related. Equally the fact that it is laser guided marks it as different from the Grison too.

Amusing that you say it is “JUST” a cheap… Would it be better if it was expensive? How many SAMs is enough? Is cheap a good thing or a bad thing?

I never suggested that SOSNA was used by Tunguska or CADS-N-1.

LOSAT just got its funding pulled by Congress in the (second) attempt to terminate the program.

Well technically it was GRISON and probably now SOSNA.

(ie SA-19 missile from the Tunguska, and Naval versions SA-N-11 plus SOSNA).

Sosna is just cheap Laser guided version of 9M311 (missile used in Tunguska and SA-N-11) its not used by either of those systems. Its meant for towed sosna ADS and for palma naval system.

Well technically it was GRISON and probably now SOSNA.

(ie SA-19 missile from the Tunguska, and Naval versions SA-N-11 plus SOSNA).