I DON'T BELIEEEEEEEVE IT !!!

Just looked at it Paul, I suppose BMW will wait until some poor soul gets killed before they act. V.O.S.A. should have stepped in, but didn’t. Why did they have a re-call in the USA, but not here?.Could it be that the Yanks would have sued them and probably won ?. en mass.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Have you got access to I player Jim? If so watch the last Watchdog. I know it is not your model but it shows what a bag of ****e BMW’s attitude really is(unless your name is Richard E Grant)!

BMW spokesperson also stated, that the car should have been checked out more thoroughly after spraying, it would appear, that in this modern day and age, they have an instrument which can measure the thickness of the applied paint, knowing there was a batch of my model, which had this fault, I would have thought it would have been checked.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Sounds like a fair result, Linc.:)

Job sorted!!, Bit of a legal complication though. I asked for a new replacement car, and was told that I had had the car too long for that. A quick call to my “Legal Eagle” and he stated, that the expression, “Reasonable time” is one thing a Judge cannot say is “Reasonable” and in this particular case, having had the car since June, (Although ill health prevented me from driving it for 2 months) he didn’t think it was worth chasing.
So, everything was discussed in a very friendly manner, I made a Formal complaint to BMW, photographs were taken by them, and I was told, this particular model was in a batch, where not enough paint had been applied.in 3 areas of the chanel.
This means the boot lid, and the rear internals all have to come out, and being re sprayed. Not a very happy chappie, however, on a brighter note, iif my complaint to BMW is upheld, and the said repairs carried out, then the dealer is willing to give me an extra 6 months full warranty, so I settled for that. They also took a photo of the Chassis plate, and they stated they could trace it back, to whoever sprayed the car, either by hand, or who set the robotic sprayer up, on the day it was sprayed.The person I spoke to stated my complaint will be almost certainly be upheld, as any adverse publicity, would spoil the “Good name” that BMW try and hold in the market.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I ran a Saab 9-5 2.3 HOT Aero for about 18 months and 50,000 miles, without any significant problems and had great fun at the same time!!:highly_amused:

Amazing car for such a big lump and yes good fun to drive, my cheap pleasure was peeing off BMW drivers who discovered that they couldn’t catch the car through mid range acceleration, the discs had been upgraded again by the time 9-5 came out so didn’t have any regular problems as such.

PS
Did you ever get your hands on a 95 Griffin?, there were no extras for this car, it came standard with just about everything on board, with 3.0 litre V6 and auto transmission only built for luxury rather than sport, but a lovely, lovely car, must confess I would never have got my hands on one if I hadn’t been in the trade.

I ran a Saab 9-5 2.3 HOT Aero for about 18 months and 50,000 miles, without any significant problems and had great fun at the same time!!:highly_amused:

Gil, I think the same rule, ie facing downhill, must have front wheels facing the kerb in San Fransico, to prevent runaways?,
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Wasn’t that one of the Saabs that had ALL the brakelines “Hidden” under/in the bodywork to prevent rust?.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

That’s going back a bit, used to put the handbrake cables inside the body as well to try a keep them dry and frost free during the winter months.

Just for laughs, one of the best security devices in it’s day was the need to put the car in reverse to get the key out thus locking the car in gear, that system was never designed with security in mind, the reality, during winter months in Sweden if a car was parked outside, drivers did not use the handbrake because the cables would freeze up, Saab put that system in to make drivers leave their car in gear knowing very well that the handbrake would not be used, it was also a legal requirement in Sweden, when parking that wheels had to be turned into the kerb to try and prevent runaways.

Saab? I seem to remember them. Nice cars until General Motors got hold of them and turned them into Vauxhalls with new clothes.

I always wanted one of these back in the eighties
http://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/fit/730×700/media/5650505/Saab%20900%20Turbo%20(3).jpg

Didn’t mind the General motors involvement initially, because Saab needed new models, but when some loony tunes so called engineer decided that Cavalier brake discs were adequate for stopping the Saab 900 hpt, the salesman knew that those discs weren’t up to the job never mind engineers, our fears were soon realised, warped front brake discs became an occupational hazard for a while.

Other than that the Saab SAABS, ran and ran, bodily as tough as old boots with safety features built into the car before other manufacturers (Volvo excluded) had even thought about it.

Saab? I seem to remember them. Nice cars until General Motors got hold of them and turned them into Vauxhalls with new clothes.

I always wanted one of these back in the eighties
http://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/fit/730×700/media/5650505/Saab%20900%20Turbo%20(3).jpg

Wasn’t that one of the Saabs that had ALL the brakelines “Hidden” under/in the bodywork to prevent rust?.

I had a 144?. 244 red engined Volvo Patrol car with the long gear change lever, we got rid of it at 200.000 mls, and sometime later I saw it (De Badged etc) being filled up at a garage on the A17, turned out it was owned by a Company, and a rep was driving it. I stopped, and we got to talking, and it appeared the car was coming up to nearly 500.000 mls, and the driver stated he had never known anything go wrong with it.
One of the best cars we had on trial was the Volvo 164, talk about S*** off a shovel, 😀
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I forgot to add, re the Merc 190 2.0 ltr, as well as being given a new C Class, both the salesman and sales manager got the sack, felt a bit mean over that Gil, but my hard earned, was as hard earned as anyone elses.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Saab? I seem to remember them. Nice cars until General Motors got hold of them and turned them into Vauxhalls with new clothes.

I always wanted one of these back in the eighties
http://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/fit/730×700/media/5650505/Saab%20900%20Turbo%20(3).jpg

Jim ref your post 32

From your description every one of those cars should have been exchanged without the need for getting legal eagles involved.

Must say with your record buying a Fix It Again Tomorrow is leading with your chin a little, the other two should certainly have been dumped back on the manufacturer pretty quick.

The only similar instance I can think of, a 1 month old Saab 95 suddenly dumped it’s engine oil, now at this time Saab were doing initial PDI before delivery to the dealer and we were only supposed to inspect visually and clean before hand over to customer.

We recovered the vehicle got our customer into a courtesy car, then inspected the problem, we found that the sump plug had gone walkies, attempting to put in a new plug soon showed the threads in the sump were stripped, only possible reason plug put in cross threaded at build. Car needs a new sump, but no-one happy about the fact that the car had been travelling on the motorway when everything went belly up. Contacted Saab, they accepted our findings told us to organise a replacement car for customer, Saab would cover any extra costs involved regarding swapping insurance plus tax and registering new vehicle, it was easy to ring this customer and tell him he was getting a new car plus a cheque from Saab for inconvenience.

Just imagine the difference in this customer’s reaction to us and to the manufacturer, compared with your experience.

the number plates to my own personal one,
Jim.
Lincoln .7

JC L1 VES?:angel::D

Yes there is one in there from a dodgy bloke with an infected computer!I will give it a good wipe over with Domestos and then reply to it. I think he is Nigerian something about giving him my details!:highly_amused:

It goes in tomorrow Paul, my docs, to change the number plates to my own personal one, have finaly arrived, AFTER 3 MONTHS, from DVLA, so we will find out, whilst they are putting my plates on, just WHY there is this rust, and exactly what they intend to do about it.

Can’t wait. BTW, don’t you look in your P.M. box?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Jim from my research on minis the paint warrantee on them is 12 years. How you get paint to stick to rust holes I don’t yet understand.:D

Moggy, As if…………….:D
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I also have a hobby which adds to the coffers, when I swap cars.

Clocking?

🙂

Moggy