I HATE CATS!!!!!!!!!

He’s a good old stick and very friendly towards any animal unless they try to steal his pride and joy, a ball about 8 inches across made of a lattice work of holes. He loves that ball. Even lets the neighbours cats in the house.

Very pleasant, very affable and amenable he never strays too far from me when on the park with his mates and is constantly looking for me. Instant obedience to voice commands as well. Never even had to train him, it just came naturally to him.

Regards,

kev35

This is the current example: A rescued Border Terrier cross who has been with me now for almost nine years.

What a cutie, I could never say that about a cat, well, I could, but not really mean it.
What does he/she personally think of cats.

Yes a decent lead,I agree ,way back 3metre retractable leads were not available, they are now and I use one.

What’s wrong with a short, leather-and-chain one?

Shackair.

Fair point about you having permission to be on that land. However, that does not absolve you of your legal and moral responsibility as a dog owner. Funny thing about Labradors, I always thought that because they were a soft mouthed and intelligent breed they were used for the retrieval of game birds which had been shot, the soft mouth meaning the carcasses of the birds were not damaged. Personally, and as a dog lover, if that had been my dog he would never have been released again without a muzzle.

As to the responsibility of the cat owner? It is enshrined in law that they have no responsibility as it as an animal which has been granted the right to roam. Might not be very palatable but it’s a fact.

Personally, I have little time for cats, I think they are selfish, disloyal and should, in some cases, be considered vermin. However, I accept fully that there are many exceptions. I would never harm a cat, but by the same token I would never choose one as a companion. Maybe I’ve just been lucky with the dogs I have owned.

This is the current example: A rescued Border Terrier cross who has been with me now for almost nine years.

Regards,

kev35

[QUOTE=kev35;1274521]So my understanding of that little scenario is that you, in the first instance, were guilty of trespass, or did you have Mr. Barratt’s specific permission to exercise your dog on that property?

Secondly you were guilty of not having your dog under proper control.

Bearing those two FACTS in mind, shall we now go on to discuss the matter of responsibility?

Regards,

What about the responsibity of the cat owner which was nil.
as it happens I had permission to be there.

Or get a decent lead…

Yes a decent lead,I agree ,way back 3metre retractable leads were not available, they are now and I use one.

Or get a decent lead…

cats

I`ve read all the posts so far, and its obvious that cat lovers are distressed by the events related,I was too, one point is that I had permission from the land developers to walk my dog on their property, simply by phoning them, I also bought one of the new houses. My dog chased the cat as a cat chases a bird , rat or mouse. IN FACT THE CAT OWNER BEARS SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE EVENTS, could I have prevented the incident ? Yes, but at personal danger from the cat, which I wasnt prepared to do, some cats are diseased.

A lot of cats are killed by motoring accidents, how would you feel if your cat in the road caused a car to swerve and collided with pedestrians injuring or god forbid killing someone. It happens.
Cats should be prevented from roaming full stop, a responsible Cat owner should walk the Cat the same as a dog its not impossible, if you own a roaming Cat its a copout, get a grip and take responsibility, OR GET A DOG.

Firstly Paul he was exercising his dog in a field which he apparently had no permission to be in.

Secondly, I always understood that if your dog was off its lead it was supposed to be within sight and under voice control. Although not specifically covered by the DDA I suspect a Court of law would take a pretty dim view of the incident Shackair described.

The DEFRA leaflet Control of Dogs, The Law and You clearly states that…..

If your dog injures another person’s animal, or an owner of an animal reasonably believes that they could be injured if they intervened to protect their animal from your dog, then an offence may be committed.

Shackair conveniently got out of that one by failing to find and notify the owner of the cat of what had happened and then conveniently hiding the evidence anyway. It’s pretty conclusive that Shackair was in the first instance in a place where he and his animal should not have been and he was clearly not in sufficient control of his dog to prevent it from injuring, or in this case killing, another animal.

Regards,

kev35

Fair point, Kev. Fair point.

Paul

Please also remember, from the Cats Protection website:-
“Cats are recognised by law as free roaming animals and therefore their owners cannot be held guilty of trespass under civil law. Under the Protection of Animals Act 1911 and the Criminal Damage Act 1971, a person commits an offence if they treat a cat cruelly and can be liable to a fine and/or imprisonment.”
I don’t like foxes as they attack my chickens. However I don’t shoot them, I increase my chickens protection. We don’t like our cats killing birds. So we put up more bird feeders and in higher places and so keep more alive than they kill.
I’ll be careful here as I have recently unintentionally come unstuck with a moderator.
My recent experience has been that someone who was a townie until he got a few quid, a farm and a shotgun caused more problems than he solved. This was simply because he didn’t know how the ecological balance worked.
Seems to me that the same happens on occasions with those who don’t understand cats.

Firstly Paul he was exercising his dog in a field which he apparently had no permission to be in.

Secondly, I always understood that if your dog was off its lead it was supposed to be within sight and under voice control. Although not specifically covered by the DDA I suspect a Court of law would take a pretty dim view of the incident Shackair described.

The DEFRA leaflet Control of Dogs, The Law and You clearly states that…..

If your dog injures another person’s animal, or an owner of an animal reasonably believes that they could be injured if they intervened to protect their animal from your dog, then an offence may be committed.

Shackair conveniently got out of that one by failing to find and notify the owner of the cat of what had happened and then conveniently hiding the evidence anyway. It’s pretty conclusive that Shackair was in the first instance in a place where he and his animal should not have been and he was clearly not in sufficient control of his dog to prevent it from injuring, or in this case killing, another animal.

Regards,

kev35

Would you care to explain precisely what is wrong with allowing a dog off its lead in a field? Please… I’m intreagued!

Paul

See several posts up….

Secondly you were guilty of not having your dog under proper control.

Would you care to explain precisely what is wrong with allowing a dog off its lead in a field? Please… I’m intreagued!

Paul

Many years ago I was walking my dog Olly (a Labrador) in a smallholding field which had been purchased by Mr Barret of helicopter fame, for housing development.

In the long vegetation a black cat appeared, upon which Olly shot off in pursuit, I shouted NOOO! but Olly being a Lab totally ignored me, they have their own agendas, the cat ran into a semi derelict greenhouse.

So my understanding of that little scenario is that you, in the first instance, were guilty of trespass, or did you have Mr. Barratt’s specific permission to exercise your dog on that property?

Secondly you were guilty of not having your dog under proper control.

Bearing those two FACTS in mind, shall we now go on to discuss the matter of responsibility?

Regards,

kev35

just short of vermin….

How anybody can justify a set up where I have to check my garden for “pet waste” before my 4 & 8 year old can go and play in it is beyond me. Any cat that comes near gets a swift splash of cold water from the hose, any “waste” gets humped over the fence – its that old adage, they have cats and love them, a by product of cats is “waste” that gets left in my garden (who has been told to get a cat, that way other cats won’t come to your garden…..) I love beer, a by product of my love is….. you see where this is going. Its a risk to my childrens health in their own garden and that is not acceptable. I don’t throw stones or shot them, but will use the hose or even better one of those massive water blaster guns.

What I did find that worked, was to take the s*** that they left and put it in a hedge over the road, then pour hot water and dettol etc over where it was left to kill the scent, they follow the smell and seem to do it in the hedge… for now,

My Scooby Doo is not happy at being called a crappy little Jack Russell just because he chases cats out of the garden, he’d probably chase anything out of here, he’s only being territorial. The only time he came unstuck was with a hedgehog, won’t go near those prickly things anymore, the spaniel came across a grass snake by the pond last year, didn’t like that, wouldn’t go near it.
We have a local woman who takes both her labrador and cat for a walk at the same time. Thats different, when our two come across that combination, I think it’s a case of, well, if the cat has a dog for a pal, it’s ok by us, they just have a sniff and leave it at that.
Unless I’m on a road, I never put them on a lead, though we are lucky to have nice walks at the bottom of the garden. I’ve never had a problem with fights with other dogs, things got nasty only once, they love kids, and they are fairly obediant unless they are getting near home and sense it’s tea time.
I would never take them anywhere near livestock without being on a lead though, not that we have any round here, but they are used to being around horses anyway.
Interestingly enough, when Scooby was a puppy, he used to go over to the in-laws, they had 2 cats, one he hated and one who was his best mate, they used to curl up and go to sleep together, why one but not the other, I don’t know, thats the mystery of cats.

You’d like to think so, wouldn’t you?

But it happens all the time. 🙁

Hmm… Fair point actually. Another example of why certain people shouldn’t be allowed to own pets.

Paul

I thought that was so obvious I’d be insulting people by saying it, Lance.

Paul

You’d like to think so, wouldn’t you?

But it happens all the time. 🙁

If the field happens to contain livestock then it’s not just irresponsible – it’s downright criminal.

I thought that was so obvious I’d be insulting people by saying it, Lance.

Paul

…I still can’t agree with you that letting your dog run in a field is irresponsible, though…

If the field happens to contain livestock then it’s not just irresponsible – it’s downright criminal.