I need an accident to write about.

ATC pal – that was the series of books I was reading about the Aeroflot crash in! There is now a 4th edition about propellor driven airliners. Very, very good set of books but you’ll need a good understanding of aviation to get the most from them.

regards
wys

Some of the best books on airliner accidents is the

Air Disaster, Vol.1 – 3, by Macarthur Job.

Very enlightening special drawings.

Best regards
atc pal

What about Lauda Air Boeing 767-329ER on may 26, 1991 who’s thrust reversers deployed just after take off from Bangkok Airport
Killing all 223 onboard

What about the Tu-144S #77102 crash at the Paris Airshow? Talk about strange and interesting-the reason for the crash is apparently a French AF Mirage which was doing a photo-recon sortie above the airfield to capture data on the Tu-144S’s canard operation. Eduard Elyan was in a steep climb into the clouds, saw the errant Mirage, and had to do a rather violent pitch-over to avoid a midair collision. That, of course, caused some engine issues and the aircraft crashed. The real interesting part comes when the joint French-Russian accident investigation board decided to cover up the French Mirage’s involvement (it had absolutely no business being where it was, and the Soviet flight crew obviously wasn’t told) in exchange for announcing that there was nothing wrong with the Tu-144S’s design which contributed to the crash. Further shenanigans-Concorde flew immediately before the Tu-144S, and as they were taxiing out to take off, Elyan and the Tu-144S crew were apparently told that their display time had been halved.

Wasn’t the Gimli glider about getting litres mixed up with gallons when fuelling it ? or was it lbs & KG ?

That must have been a bit startling for people on the race track it landed on at the time. You look in the mirror to see if anyone is trying to pass & a 767 appears !

Wasn’t there a similar incident where a Tristar ran out of fuel because they had left the O-rings out of the fuel pumps during servicing & it leaked out everywhere.

How about the Aloha Airways cabriolet 737 where half the cabin roof disappeared due to the high number of pressurisation cycles it had experienced & the legend that only the extra strength of the seat rails held it together.

Others that come to mind as potential character sources.

Air New Zealand DC10 impacting on Mount Erebus because someone in flight operations changed the flight planning with out telling anyone.

Dan Air 727 CFIT into a mountain on Tenerife because the ATC said “turns to the left” instead of “turn to the left”.

If you want characters to write about there is the Staines Trident where the human factors were as long as your arm. Pilot in bad mood because of an argument in the crew room over strike action before the flight, Junior Co-pilot intimidated by Captain, frosty atmosphere in cockpit, incorrect selection or not of the correct leading edge droop setting.

The Delta 727 that crashed on take off allegedly because the crew up front were fantasising about one of the stewardesses.

The heroic bit of flying where the Ethiopian Airways (I think, anyone ?) 757 got highjacked & ran out of fuel. The pilot ended up fighting with the highjacker who thought he was putting it on. Whilst the scrap was going on in the cockpit they managed a water “landing” of sorts. People still died though.

Kegworth 737 accident where they shut down the wrong engine due to the fact that they had smoke in the cabin.This implied that the engine that failed was the good one. The really tragic bit was that shortly before the impact the captain got the first officer to try to restart the good engine. When asked if this meant that he had realised the mistake, the captain replied that he was just trying to take the first officers mind off the fact that he was probably about to die. Now that’s what being a captain is about. I believe his name was Captain Hunt.

A good article about the Gimli Glider:

http://www.elchineroconcepts.com/Technology%20Folder/gimli_glider.htm

Best regards
atc pal

“Gimli Glider”

Another interesting accident comes to mind – the B767 that ran out of fuel and landed on Gimli, Canada. Amazingly still in operation.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1177440/#top

Yes, indeed! Heartbreaking when they have almost made it into Sioux City, and then cartwheels. There was some good documentaries on that one and also a TV-film. that wasn’t too bad. An interesting point in the film, was the 4 A-7 Corsair from the Iowa Air National Guard airborne during the emergency. They had no alternate (sounds a bit strange?). A quick decision was taken to land them before the DC-10, or the pilots would have to eject. I guess it is correct. A bit much to add to an already nailbiting experience.

Best regards
atc pal

United 232 is an amazing story as well. After DC-10’s number 2 engine threw a compressor disc it lost all hydraulics forcing the crew to fly my differential thrust alone. It’s a miracle that everyone wasn’t killed. The story is an excellent example of great CRM.

One of my favourite crashes is the SAS MD80 in december 1991. (It’s in AirDisaster.com) For once all 129 on board survived. Indeed a miracle as the Captain Stefan Rasmussen told in a speech:

“Here in Denmark, some call me a hero …

Maybe It’s because Danes sometimes don’t know, what stuff real heroes are made of …

Of cause I know, that one december morning in 1991 i became known to every news agency in the world, when I as Captain and pilot on a SAS MD-80, suceeded in landing a 55 ton airplane on a forest meadow, situated a bit north east of Stockholm in Sweden. – This happen only 4 minutes after take-off…

That day I destroyed an airplane worth over 35 mill.$ – That won’t make You a hero …

That all 129 passengers survived was an incomprehensible miracel – But calling it a heroic deed is wrong … It was high class team work – And by the way; it was my job as a pilot to make sure my passenger got a safe ride. So, if doing Your job is a heroic deed, then were all heroes …

No, no …….”

Best regards
atc pal

Originally posted by atc pal
The Air Florida crash must be the one (AF 90) that crashed on take off from Washington National Airport onto the 14’th Street Bridge and into the Potomac River on January 13 1982. Only 4 passengers and one crewmember survived.

A short summary on
http://www.awesome80s.com/Awesome80s/Science/transportation/Aviation/AirFloridaFlight90.asp

Best regards
atc pal

Oops, I quoted the accident as taking place at La Guardia not DCA in my post. Thanks for the correction and the link.

Re: Re: I need an accident to write about.

Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
houw couldnt you notice that you are 200 feet above the ground? :confused: :confused:

At 23:30 hours over the featureless Everglades you’d have trouble telling if you were at 500′ or 5000′.

Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
Yes, stupid pilots, how can you forget to turn on deicing?

Because the job isn’t as easy as it seems. Plus, being that the crew was from Florida they didn’t much experience flying in the winters of the Northeast.

What about Concorde?

That’s probably the one air crash that the whole world already knows about. But they probably don’t know about the cause of it. You could explain all this in your essay.

The Air Florida crash must be the one (AF 90) that crashed on take off from Washington National Airport onto the 14’th Street Bridge and into the Potomac River on January 13 1982. Only 4 passengers and one crewmember survived.

A short summary on
http://www.awesome80s.com/Awesome80s/Science/transportation/Aviation/AirFloridaFlight90.asp

Best regards
atc pal

Re: I need an accident to write about.

Originally posted by MINIDOH
Hi guys. For my English courseword I will be writing about something to do with aircraft. I could either make it fictional or non-fiction. I may just write a fictional story about me flying and having an emergency, but I may write about an aircraft accident that has already occured and is very interesting.
Which aircraft accidents would you recommend I write about,
the Eastern Airlines flight 401 L1011 that crashed into the everglades would be very interesting to write about, however I would like to see which other incidents have occured.
Could you please let me know if you know any accidents that have occured and have either a dilemma or something strange or interesting about it. Also if you know any good websites that have information on the incidents would be helpfull.
Thanks,
Mark

Yeah, i cant remember very good, but i think it was something like this:
the landing gear indicated that the nose gear wasnt extended (no green light) and the flighjt engineer and pilots where changing the lamp. this took so lang that the autopilot somehow was turned into a slightly negative descent?
strange, houw couldnt you notice that you are 200 feet above the ground? :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by MINIDOH
Thanks for all the replies. I have heard about that Aeroflot one with the captains son. Wasnt it an A300, the boy pushed on the stick whilst he was sat in the seat and the co-pilot couldnt get it out of the dive. But thats great, loads of info, and thanks for the tip Florida Dude.
I tried the air disaster web page and that was really good for info.
Thanks guys.

Well, was that’s boy lentally three years old? how can you be such an idiot? If that boy was still alive i would have chopped his body in thousand pieces 😀 😡

Originally posted by T5
Should be a great read, I’d love to have a look when finished.

What was the aircraft that crashed in Florida (??) where it wasn’t actually the impact that killed most of the passengers but the icy water where the aircraft came down, shortly after takeoff?

That would be interesting.

Yes, stupid pilots, how can you forget to turn on deicing? wherent there any warnings on that plane? i ever read a book about it but i vant remember much about this.

Originally posted by wysiwyg
While I was on holiday I read a very interesting passage (I can’t remember the title of the book) about the Aeroflot A310 that crashed with the Captains 15 year old son at the controls a couple of years ago. I would have thought that would make a very different accident story to cover.

regards
wys

Whoa I cant believe it! Where do I find more information about this?
It would be agood story to write about!

Here’s a great website about EAL 401.

http://www.geocities.com/donuts13/