I personally thought it was a retrograde step to…

Hello Robbo,

thanks for your reply, I wasnt naming the other forum (or wishing to suggest you set it up simply over the photo/forum issue), or to re-ignite any residual inter-forum rivalry over the past problems, but simply highlighting that many of those who departed here apparantly due to the photo/forum issue resided at that forum and seemingly accepted the segregation of photos to another sub-forum quite happily?, and on that basis it would seem the same arrangement here at KP should be retained.

I realise there may have been other issues relating to moderation etc that may have further contributed to the departure, however Mark12’s thread above in this case discussed just the photo forum segregation, and that was the intended point of my post above.

Cetainly at the time I supported the segregation in KP for exactly the same reasons you have introduced it on PlaneTalk.

I continue to peruse and enjoy both the KP forum and your own forum.

regards

Mark Pilkington

MarkP

…I did say disciplined. 🙂 …and it might have needed a bit of moderator massaging and channeling to finesse it.

The fact is some of the best photogs in the business decamped from Flypast and I regret that, ‘attaboys’ for Damobbofence notwithstanding.

Mark12

A rather surprising development on another site seemingly frequented by those photogs who decamped Flypast over the segregation of photos from the main board -………..

has been the creation of a similar dedicated photo thread due to the main forum getting swamped, and other contributors with-holding other content?, and with a further request to photo contributors to limit their threads to one per show to avoid swamping the photo forum itself.

The greater surprise is that the move is accepted seemingly without any complaints or apparant departures, a marked contrast to the same situation when it occured at KP?

I still support that outcome at KP and now at that other site, for those wanting to enjoy airshow photos its not hard to find the sub-forum and view them, for those less interested the main board doesnt get swamped.

I think the recent development at that other site clearly vindicates the earlier decision here at KP, despite the strong opposition at the time, and the unfortunate decision of some to take their bat, ball and camera and go home?

regards

Mark Pilkington

Ok kind of think i get the drift of this thread, but i’m not entirely sure lack off interest and not enought good coments? Say Yay or Nay:)

I’ve posted pics on this forum before some got coments some did not, but the over riding factor in me removing them is the fact some were stolen and turned up on another web site (no i’m not going to say which one) one even turned up on the web within 5minutes of my posting it which i thought was taking the **** rather well:mad:

I’ve posted a pic on this thread here
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1438537#post1438537

If you have one of your pics stolen try using this http://tineye.com/ its a reverse search engine so just load your image into it then it finds it on the web and tells you which web site has it, trouble is its not infalible so doesnt always work but if it does work its pure genius!!!

I know my pics aren’t camera club winning quality but I was a bit surprised that they did not elicit more comment. I had raked up a few more but it is not worth the trouble.

Please keep raking Peter.

There are a large number of silent viewers enjoying your shots of this period.

Mark

I know my pics aren’t camera club winning quality but I was a bit surprised that they did not elicit more comment. I had raked up a few more but it is not worth the trouble.

Never known Mk12 to take bad photos in any form.

AP…..

Not seen your RIAT photos, so cannot comment on them but have just taken the time to look back at your photos from the Athens Museum. Really can’t see why you have taken exception to what appeared in the thread, all seems quite innocuous to me…….nothing that could be construded as “rude”. Interested to see the photos.

Planemike

PS AP I have had a gander at your RIAT photos. They look fine and you have had some other compliments too……..can’t be bad !!!!?

I posted some photos from RIAT on here and I have to say I am disappointed with the response. I don’t post them to seek praise but it is nice when people take the time to comment. A few months ago I posted some photos from a visit to the military museum in Athens and the thread degenerated into an unrelated discussion – quite rudely I thought. It has had the effect of discouraging me from posting photos in the historic forum again.

Mark12,

Similarly I’m unsure we really need country specific sites such as KP versus Wix or even Warbirdz, I am personally just as happy to tour all 4 sites as to read it all on one site, many posters duplicate their entries on a number of these sites, but the different sites all have their local allegiances and provide for local content and focus, so I guess diversity is great, and each to their own.

…another bi-product irritant. 🙂

Mark

MarkP

…I did say disciplined. 🙂 …and it might have needed a bit of moderator massaging and channeling to finesse it.

The fact is some of the best photogs in the business decamped from Flypast and I regret that, ‘attaboys’ for Damobbofence notwithstanding.

Mark12

Mark12,

It is a pity some of those good photographers have departed KP, and I recall that situation when it arose, and yes many departed to create a competing forum site where they largely remain active today although I have noticed many have drifted back to make the occasional post here, although at the time there was opposition to some of the KP mods mixed up in the issue as well, over and above the shifting of photos into a dedicated forum.

Interestingly one of the arguments put forward to keeping them in “historic” was that KP itself perused the pics for possible publication, so departing the site totally would seem to be closing off that option not only for KP but also the photographer?

My issue at the time was that modern photos from RIAT etc didnt sit well with the apparant “Historic” focus of this particular thread, and the volumes of photos were dominating the threads at various airshow times, I have to admit I dont venture into the photographic section much at all, but if that is the situation for most of us that wouldnt seem to support shifting the photos back into “Historic”? simply to force an audience to be aware of them? to have to admire and comment? or have them deleted?

I view both sites, however still find KP carries more of interest to me, and occupies my time to a greater extent. At the other site they have retained the mixed forum of photos and other threads, and certainly we can all visit that site to view the “missing” photo efforts if that is what we wish to do.

Thats not to say I dont enjoy reading the other site, or participating in threads of interest.

However again the “market has spoken” as that other site has had @ 40 new or active threads over the last 7 days (14/7 to 21/7) compared to @125 in KP not accounting for multiple posts within any thread (which I suspect is much higher within KP), suggesting many others remain happy with the KP arrangement and content?

I guess the great thing is all of the posts and pics are simply a couple of clicks away in your favourites list, regardless of anyones dis-satisfaction with the audience response to their photo shoots, and the relegation of them to a dedicated forum on KP or a whole other site?

Similarly I’m unsure we really need country specific sites such as KP versus Wix or even Warbirdz, I am personally just as happy to tour all 4 sites as to read it all on one site, many posters duplicate their entries on a number of these sites, but the different sites all have their local allegiances and provide for local content and focus, so I guess diversity is great, and each to their own.

regards

Mark Pilkington

Ahh I understand now Mark!

Mr A

It still doesn’t explain why you removed them.

If you wanted some sort of critique you could have approached any of the photo mods to move it from the airshows section to the photo advice section.

Moggy

Mark12 – have the last few words of your text turned into some kind of street language that’s difficult to decipher?

At General Motors, five ‘attaboys’ is worth one ‘awsh!t’ on the scale of praise. 🙂

Generic photog.

Mark

Mark12 – have the last few words of your text turned into some kind of street language that’s difficult to decipher?

Presumably the poster wanted a procession of ‘Nice shots 🙂 ‘ replies and didn’t get them?

Moggy

Not at all Moggy, I removed them as they didnt ‘move’ anyone to comment at all, good or bad, Im no expert at photography but some guidance as to why there was 290 views and no ‘good shot ;)’ comments would have been helpfull.

MarkP

…I did say disciplined. 🙂 …and it might have needed a bit of moderator massaging and channeling to finesse it.

The fact is some of the best photogs in the business decamped from Flypast and I regret that, ‘attaboys’ for Damobbofence notwithstanding.

Mark12

I actually supported the move of pics to their own section as many threads were very “pic intensive” and painful to simply browse, and during particular UK airshows there would be a flood of similar and “competing” threads all covering the same event by different photographers pushing all other topics and threads off the current page, and for those still wanting to view them the photographic forum is listed at the top of the forum lists and easy to find.

I note this offering was titled

4 Days at Legends Pic Heavy

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Mr Angry had 290 views but still chose to take his images down?

Last edited by Mr Angry; 21st July 2009 at 22:51. Reason: Lack of interest.

Without in anyway detracting on the efforts and quality of the photos offered by Mr Angry and others in the photographic forum? – I guess the “market has spoken” and certainly suggests there is no reason to push them back into the main forum in my opinion?, those who are interested will visit the photographic forum.

Presumably the poster wanted a procession of ‘Nice shots 🙂 ‘ replies and didn’t get them?

Moggy