By: yago - 24th January 2003 at 19:48
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Snowy mountains in Santo Domingo?
It reminds me of Barajas background but I could be wrong as I don’t remember the ramp paintings…
By: KabirT - 19th January 2003 at 13:20
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Agree wholesomely with you Wys.
By: wysiwyg - 19th January 2003 at 09:38
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Agree with all the above although distance from the mainwheels is more relevant as they are the ones we are having to compensate for due to their tendency to take a short cut round every corner. The distance between cockpit and nosewheel just affects overhang and visual cues. Taxiing with a long distance between cockpit and mainwheels is a very different sensation to driving a lorry or car as the nosewheels are capable or revolving beyond 90 degrees either side of center (albeit only the last few degrees while under tow from a tug rather than through the tiller) so when making a tight turn your motion in the flightdeck is totally sideways with nothing forwards! It is a very strange feeling until you get used to it.
Kab – I say cameras for everyone for safety reasons. It also gives visual information in the event of engine related or undercarriage problems.
By: KabirT - 18th January 2003 at 15:29
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Yes and the cone does bend down so provides as much visibility possible in that design.
Wys standard on 767 and 757?? I think it should be standard in all aircrafts…..just a touch of latest tech.
By: EGNM - 18th January 2003 at 13:21
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lol true – they sit a fair way forward in comparison!
By: Bhoy - 18th January 2003 at 11:25
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you’re complaining about the view you get from the 752?
Spare a thought for the crew on Concorde, who sit well over 30 feet ahead of the nosegear…
By: wysiwyg - 18th January 2003 at 09:05
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I guess it would make sense on the 900 series 737’s. I wish they would make it standard fit on 300 series 757’s and 767’s.
Lining up in a 200 on R25 at Newcastle last night (a sharp 90 degree bend) we needed to poke the nose about 5 meters beyond the centerline before applying full tiller to point in the right direction and leave the main wheels straddling the lines. Lovely clear night for flying!
By: KabirT - 18th January 2003 at 08:07
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Wys i think they are standard fit on B739 and B744ER.
By: T5 - 17th January 2003 at 19:12
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 17-01-03 AT 07:13 PM (GMT)]Santo Domingo, eh? One of three airports in the Dominican Republic I’ve been to as well as Puerto Plata and La Romana. We stopped there for about 40 minutes on a Monarch Airlines A300 flight from Puerto Plata en-route to London Gatwick.
Had some stunning views of the lush greenery as we flew the 20-30 minutes north to south of the island at a relatively low altitude.
Beautiful place!
By: keltic - 17th January 2003 at 18:43
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Spanish charter using DC-9, well only these ones used DC-9 in Spain. Aviaco, Air Sur and Viva Air. At least a a permanent base.
By: GFox - 16th January 2003 at 23:08
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A nice pic there Keltic. Does anyone know if Iberia are to do a c/s change in the future?, It just seems to becoming a trend as of late.
By: wysiwyg - 16th January 2003 at 19:25
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 16-01-03 AT 07:29 PM (GMT)]Putting the nosewheels on the centerline is exactly what you mustn’t do because of the reasons mentioned above. With the nosewheels following the centerline the mainwheels are out of position by several meters on this A340. It would be even worse on the A340-600. The main wheels should always straddle the centerline. This means sticking the nose well out before starting a turn. When Boeing built the 747 they actually built a test taxiing device using a lorry to see whether pilots could judge the distances involved to get the airframe round corners.
Landing on R05 at Funchal if you don’t make the right turn off you have to turn around within the runway width and backtrack to the terminal. This is done on the part of the runway that is supported on 150′ high stilts above the sea. Even in the shorter 757-200 this involves hanging the flightdeck over the 150′ drop to get round the corner which still makes me very nervous!
The monitors (as shown in Kab’s post) are standard fit on the 777 and A340 (500 and 600 series). I think they are an option on the 747 and that’s probably the case on the 737 but I don’t know of anyone whose taken it up.
By: KabirT - 16th January 2003 at 15:29
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Mongu i dont know about A340s but atleast B777, B747 and 737NGs have monitors and cameras alligned that show the gear areas of the aircraft. Like shown in the pic below.
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By: mongu - 16th January 2003 at 13:19
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Out of interest, how can you steer with the level of precision necessary to put the nose gear centrepoint over the yellow lines?
You can’t see the wheels from the cockpit, so how do you know where they are?
By: EGNM - 15th January 2003 at 15:04
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MD-83 Spanair?
By: Ren Frew - 15th January 2003 at 11:59
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Yeah… this happened at GLA a few years ago involving a DC-9 of some Spanish charter mob. It took them hours to pull the thing out of the grass/mud. shame I can’t remember more details.
By: EGNM - 15th January 2003 at 11:42
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yea i thought the front gear was on but not the gear – – if you think of the likes of the lengthened a/c – B753 and A346 with a larger turn radius you can see a real problem there with the manouvering!
By: wysiwyg - 15th January 2003 at 09:59
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 15-01-03 AT 10:01 AM (GMT)]Unfortunately the insurance company will accept no deviation from the line without significant justification and then only with the aid of a marshaller. These guys are out of position by several meters and cannot see the wingtips from the cockpit to check their own clearance. They haven’t in reality saved any time by cutting the corner by a few meters but they have put a multi-million dollar machine at significant unneccessary risk.
Seperate from the insurance issue, on a 757 if you follow the yellow lines with the nosewheel rather than the main wheels the geometry is such that the main wheels will end up cutting the corner of the turn enough to get you stuck in the grass on any typical 90 degree bend. If the grass is wet it is unlikely you will get out again as the bogie is likely to sink under the weight up to its axles. This guy looks like he is trying to put the nosewheel on the line and look where that leaves the main gear. If that was a normal narrow taxiway they would be stuffed.
By: KabirT - 15th January 2003 at 09:19
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Yea but i guess the one in this pic is a minor mal-adjustment??
By: wysiwyg - 15th January 2003 at 07:46
RE: IB A340 PIC
A MyTravel A330 lost a wingtip in Paphos last summer by not following the lines.
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